So . . . .

[Chasey]

Is this intended as some sort of rebuttal? If so, it is as lame as Baldrick's cunning plan. Even his best one.

Whilst we remain members of the EU, the UK remits circa £350m a week to that entity. They give some back, conditional upon us using those funds on projects they deem appropriate. The rest of monies we send to the EU bolsters projects in the wider EU. And in the past those funds have also helped the EU to migrate industries from our shores to elsewhere in their fiefdom.

The Youtube clip above uses a highly editted collection of interview pieces to attempt to paint a false picture of Gisela's stance and does not cover its author in glory, nor find Gisela guilty of untruth. The maker of that sequence has not revealed some glaring campaign lie. Gisela rightly makes clear we are currently losing control of £350m tax revenue each week.

The Leave campaign bus slogan that declared we might be able to divert those monies into the NHS merely dumbed down the proposition using an emotive example of how we might prefer to use those monies. But the underlying truth that we have no control over the disbursement of EU membership-fee/taxation remains stet.

Not giving those monies to the EU puts the ball back in our court. As I stated before, I believe the new home for that money should be to serve as a clutching mechanism to allow small businesses to make the required structural changes without risk. We can up NHS payments in 2024...

The 350million was a massive lie day one and still is. The actual figure is near to 170 million and just the single advantage of the financial passport more than covers that figure

The cost to a UK citizen for being able to benefit from the EU was £175.00 per year

The coast of Brexit is estimated to be 10 X that per person

So there never was 350 million and now the deficit will be considerably more than that even if the estimates are wildly out on the cost they wont be 10X out so expect privatisation of the NHS not new funding and expect increased taxation across the board

Stealth taxation is well underway. Smart motorways with toll charging coming soon

massive hits on Buy to let and private landlords

taxation on parking at your place of work

cuts in benefits

Thin edge of the wedge stuff to cover the expected massive shortfalls and drops in GDP.

The cost of Brexit is huge.
There are desperate financial times ahead and there most certainly will be cuts in public spending, not increases of any kind

 

[zambezi]

There are 50 non EU countries with comprehensive trade deals with the EU at this point in time but it may come as a shock to you, the countries you listed are actualy NOT in Europe so they could never become part of the EU itself

I think you are making the principal Leave point even clearer: punitive membership of the EU is not a prerequisite to trade with that entity.

 

[JTO]

Beware the 'mute' majority.

 

[zambezi]

We already had agreement in writing from the EU in 2015 that we would not be part of further Federalisation of the EU, so this is a mute point.

Moot point? After a single currency, centralised government, collective taxation and imposition of a High Court that stands above any national court, what other component makes up federation? Ah, an army commanded by that central government.

Juncker is openly calling for a federal army. The leaders of France and Germany openly strive for that military integration. And the Romanians and Czechs have already taken the next practical step in that direction. Any appraisal of what is actually happening lays bare any mollifying lies that federal Europe is not in the minds of those we currently allow to dictate to us.

 

[finnbear270]

Germania by the back door, Old Soldiers will be spinning.

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

born in wigan ,made in britain

 

[zambezi]

The 350million was a massive lie day one and still is. The actual figure is near to 170 million...

The Leave campaign used the £350m gross commitment per week as their headline figure. That number is no lie. It is our approximate national commitment before rebate and EU adjudicated redistribution are subtracted. The UK Government Office of National Statistics affirms the same.

Is the Leave's bus headline figure misleading? Mmmmm. Certainly we do not currently send that full amount each year. Heck no! We actually send the much lower figure of £263m per week. But the headline figure remains the weekly calculation of the UK's annual liability. To get to any lower figure you have to remove the rebate and offset the monies coming back into the UK via EU endorsed projects. Ask this then: How rigid is the rebate framework? Are we happy what projects the EU are endowing with the £263 we actually send?

The principal stands: We are giving significant monies to the EU who distribute it amongst all their acolytes/cantons/provinces in portions they deem fit. Even if that membership fee still looks like good value for money to some, the far bigger issues of the EU remain toxic in greater portion.

 

[JTO]

Don't forget the £153,000,000 that is reported to be sent back to mainland Europe by EU citizons every week.

 

[Olaf]

Any economic disruption/pain, no matter whether it be short or long term, will be well worth it to escape being sucked into a federal, socialist EUSR.

I wonder why it is that mr Poohinatin is so desperate that we leave?

Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[Olaf]

Is this intended as some sort of rebuttal? If so, it is as lame as Baldrick's cunning plan. Even his best one.

Whilst we remain members of the EU, the UK remits circa £350m a week to that entity. They give some back, conditional upon us using those funds on projects they deem appropriate. The rest of monies we send to the EU bolsters projects in the wider EU. And in the past those funds have also helped the EU to migrate industries from our shores to elsewhere in their fiefdom.

The Youtube clip above uses a highly editted collection of interview pieces to attempt to paint a false picture of Gisela's stance and does not cover its author in glory, nor find Gisela guilty of untruth. The maker of that sequence has not revealed some glaring campaign lie. Gisela rightly makes clear we are currently losing control of £350m tax revenue each week.

The Leave campaign bus slogan that declared we might be able to divert those monies into the NHS merely dumbed down the proposition using an emotive example of how we might prefer to use those monies. But the underlying truth that we have no control over the disbursement of EU membership-fee/taxation remains stet.

Not giving those monies to the EU puts the ball back in our court. As I stated before, I believe the new home for that money should be to serve as a clutching mechanism to allow small businesses to make the required structural changes without risk. We can up NHS payments in 2024...

Our governments spending on the EU membership is 0.7 % of its spending . About 38pence per person per day in the UK. I wonder what the other 99.3% of our governments spending goes on ?

We have control of our boarders, we have sovereignty over our laws , we have control over our money. Where is your problem with that ?

Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[zambezi]

We have control of our boarders, we have sovereignty over our laws , we have control over our money.

In order of statement made above:

• "We have control of our boarders (sic)" - Patently untrue. Merkel opened the EU to all and sundry. We are part of that entity. Ergo we do not get to be selective about entrants. Worse, those arriving illegally on our south coast now cannot be repatriated because of EU convention.


• "we have sovereignty over our laws" - Patently untrue. EU law sits above our law. And they generate a great deal of the stuff. Paxo did a great piece detailing exactly how much. 59% of all our laws since 2010 came from the EU...


• "we have control over our money" - we have zero control of the monies we remit to the EU. And some of the legislation [and EC Regulation] that now binds us also encroaches on domestic disbursement of tax revenues available to our chancellor of the exchequer.

 

[GnZ]

Whatever happens it will be to the benefit of politicians..

 

[armo.]

Our governments spending on the EU membership is 0.7 % of its spending . About 38pence per person per day in the UK. I wonder what the other 99.3% of our governments spending goes on ?

We have control of our boarders, we have sovereignty over our laws , we have control over our money. Where is your problem with that ?

Kindest regards, Olaf

Our government's spending on EU is soon to be 0% we keep our £38bn AND remove the Germans from our sea fisheries. I for one would like to see HMS Belfast slip her moorings in the Tower Bridge area then return to North Sea maritime patrol, where I believe she had some success in the past.

 

[tom308w]

TRUE
A little snippet of information the the government don't want you to know.

The people that don’t respect democracy like to point out how close the referendum result was, and that a 4% margin meant it was too close to be decisive. There are another set of figures that are curiously buried and are never quoted so here goes:

1. The UK was divided into 382 regions for the referendum.

2. Of those 382 regions, 263 of them voted to leave.

3. Only 119 regions voted to remain

4. Regionally the vote share was 68.85% leave, 31.15% for remain.

5. The total winning margin regionally was 37.7 %

Quoting the national average of 4% is not a true reflection of how the referendum was won as the 4% was the margin based on voter turnout.

The regional results show clearly that the UK as a whole voted to leave by a winning margin of over 37%.

Could be why certain people won't accept the regional statistics as part of any debate

 

[Pine Marten]

TRUE
A little snippet of information the the government don't want you to know.

The people that don’t respect democracy like to point out how close the referendum result was, and that a 4% margin meant it was too close to be decisive. There are another set of figures that are curiously buried and are never quoted so here goes:

1. The UK was divided into 382 regions for the referendum.

2. Of those 382 regions, 263 of them voted to leave.

3. Only 119 regions voted to remain

4. Regionally the vote share was 68.85% leave, 31.15% for remain.

5. The total winning margin regionally was 37.7 %

Quoting the national average of 4% is not a true reflection of how the referendum was won as the 4% was the margin based on voter turnout.

The regional results show clearly that the UK as a whole voted to leave by a winning margin of over 37%.

Could be why certain people won't accept the regional statistics as part of any debate

Well it's not really relevant. The result is based on the total number of votes cast. More people choose one option than the other. Where they happen to live isn't taken into consideration. I mean some regions are far less populated than others, they're not equivalent results.

 

[finnbear270]

Our governments spending on the EU membership is 0.7 % of its spending . About 38pence per person per day in the UK. I wonder what the other 99.3% of our governments spending goes on ?

We have control of our boarders, we have sovereignty over our laws , we have control over our money. Where is your problem with that ?

Kindest regards, Olaf

Really?

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

we have control of the borders where ?,there are people coming in droves from europe every day and the euro police stand and watch them cross! christ even tv crews interview them on the bloody crossings

 

[african jack]

Well it's not really relevant. The result is based on the total number of votes cast. More people choose one option than the other. Where they happen to live isn't taken into consideration. I mean some regions are far less populated than others, they're not equivalent results.

Well it's not really relevant leave won so stop whingeing

 

[zambezi]

...The result is based on the total number of votes cast. More people choose one option than the other. Where they happen to live isn't taken into consideration.

Bingo. Regardless of which way you slice this, the majority vote is for us to leave. Not leave a little bit. Leave.

 

[finnbear270]

Really?

Olaf said:


Our governments spending on the EU membership is 0.7 % of its spending . About 38pence per person per day in the UK. I wonder what the other 99.3% of our governments spending goes on ?

We have control of our boarders, we have sovereignty over our laws , we have control over our money. Where is your problem with that ?

Kindest regards, Olaf

I'm beginning to visualise this guy, semi recumbent on one of those couch thingies, barely visible through a haze emanating from a Hookah pipe.