Custom Electronic Ear Plugs.....

BigPat

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So, the missus finally managed to get me to have a hearing test and the results are unsurprising......many years of shooting without proper hearing protection (particularly when out with the shotgun after game, bunnies and pigeons) has caught up with me.

I now need to limit further damage and will be investing in some decent electronic ear plugs. I have some electronic Peltor ear defenders that are ok when on the range but I can’t get on them in the field particularly when using the shotgun.

I have seen the Custom Fit Guards Custom Fit Guards | CF Digital and wondered if anyone has used them or have any other recommendations.
 
The estate I worked on a few years ago became very worried about hearing loss, so made us all go and get fitted ear plugs to use when out with guests. They work fine as you can hear normal conversation and they did mute the bang from an unsilenced rifle, but.......the one thing they couldn't do was remain in the little box that they came in. Mine are lying somewhere in the Southern Cairngorms, along with the ones belonging to the rest of the stalkers. So if you do get some, please take care not to lose them. ATB Dave
 
As I'm an audio engineer I depend on my hearing to stay in a job so I have an particular interest in this. Although I try and read on the subject I'm not an audiologist or a doctor however.

In many industrial situations the factor that results in most exposure to noise is either not wearing the plugs or fitting them too late - i.e. spending some time exposed before you remember or similar. There is also a big problem with incorrectly fitted plugs - people don't put them in correctly. Custom molded plugs can help with this as they can be comfortable, encouraging people to wear them, and it tends to be difficult to not put them in correctly. Some people find they do get custom molded plugs that simply will not fit well are are uncomfortable, so a custom mold isn't a solution to the comfort and fit problem in every case.

However, because custom molded plugs are, basically, relatively stiff plastic they don't make a very good seal, if they made a perfect seal you could never get them in and out, and so they will always offer less attenuation than foam plugs as when you put a foam plug in it expands to fill all the voids and so forms a very good seal. So for absolute noise reduction foam plugs can be a better choice. The problem with foam plugs is that you often have to try a few different types before you get something comfortable and that fits well for you and most people don't realize this and so just use the first thing they find, which has a pretty low probability of working well for them especially in terms of comfort. Foam plugs are also very isolating and many people find this disconcerting.

It may be worth your while looking at some of the electronic options that have a foam ear tip as these can combine the best of both worlds - they have a foam ear tip that gives a very high attenuation but the electronics allows you to carry on normal conversations etc. Alantoo who posts on this forum went with the Peltor/3M LEP-100 electronic plugs and his comments lead me to give them a try as well and I've been impressed, they aren't cheap, but I've found them very effective in the field and they offer very high levels of attenuation. They don't need custom molds etc. as they use foam tips to insert into your years and the electronic bit sits in your ear quite comfortably. As with any foam tip I would suggest that you need to try a few different versions to get something that works for you to offer maximum comfort and there is a good range that will fit the LEP-100s, and probably other similar devices. They ship with the "christmas tree" type flange plugs, which are awful in my view and have never worked for me, and also some foam plugs which are on the large size. If you get a foam earplug that is uncomfortable or doesn't fit well then it will simply not work for you but I now have several options for the LEP-100s.

The LEP-100s have an internal rechargeable battery which means no changing of batteries and they have a very neat and robust case which also acts as a charging station. It is quite an interesting and effective solution as they offer about 16 hours run time on a charge so unless you shoot for more than 16 hours at a time this will not be a problem but, clearly, there is also a certain advantage in just being able to change a battery. I keep the case in the car when shooting and simply pop them into it if driving between areas or whatever and the charger will run off AA batteries or the USB from a phone charger or even your car.


CENS (perhaps the most popular in the shooting field due to their marketing) also make a foam ear tip type electronic plug, I wanted to avoid CENS but it is another option for you:

 
Not much to add to @caorach 's comprehensive post but just to make it clear that the LEP-100s clever carry case also contains the AA batteries so they can be charging whilst in your pocket...but of course the only thing that happens if you have forgotten to charge them after 16 hours is that they stop amplifying the ambient sounds...you still get the up to 38db SNR passive protection. The foam tips I use with them are rated at 34db SNR and the best the CENS plugs manage is 28db SNR.

Watching with interest and would also like to know if they enhance the everyday sounds ?

They have 3 volume levels for different circumstances...I use the low one which reduces some sound for driving the tractor or tele handler. The mid level which is neutral, for conversation and instruction at the range so you don't end up shouting at everyone like you do with passive protection! The high volume I use for stalking and sitting in the high seat because it amplifies both the faint sounds of animal movement...and also the crashing of your feet through leaves...which makes you very aware of what you tread on!

Just been wearing them this morning on a HAD call out. They are great because I can put them in and still converse with the Police on the phone or at the scene and then go bang without faffing...only need to take them out when I get home.

Alan

p.s. an earlier thread... Electronic in ear defenders may have more information...
 
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Been considering proper ear plugs for a while - too many years of loud bangs and loud motorcycles! Need something better that the foam ones I use at the moment and don't like wearing the head phone types when on the clays..... will be looking further into this for a new year treat (and to try and stop the tinnitus getting worse!).
 
So, the missus finally managed to get me to have a hearing test and the results are unsurprising......many years of shooting without proper hearing protection (particularly when out with the shotgun after game, bunnies and pigeons) has caught up with me.

I now need to limit further damage and will be investing in some decent electronic ear plugs. I have some electronic Peltor ear defenders that are ok when on the range but I can’t get on them in the field particularly when using the shotgun.

I have seen the Custom Fit Guards Custom Fit Guards | CF Digital and wondered if anyone has used them or have any other recommendations.

I use them (or something very similar) and find them excellent. The batteries are a bit of a pain but overall I would recommend them. I do have tinitus and am keen for it not to get worse.
 
I have seen the Custom Fit Guards Custom Fit Guards | CF Digital and wondered if anyone has used them or have any other recommendations.

The only mention of db reduction rating I could find on the linked Custom Fit Guards website was...

These are completely solid ear plugs that reduce approximately 30db of noise. Giving as much guarding as possible against excess noise levels, these are great for shooters who wish to have as little outside noise as possible...

for their solid passive version...and even that does not specify whether it is based on the European SNR or the American NRR rating system. Reading between the lines presumably their electronic ones do not do as well. If NRR it would be fantastically good.

Incidentally the Peltor/3M do a couple of alternative versions; the TEP-100 and TEP and LEP 200. I seem to remember...the T sadly stands for Tactical so will go with one's tactical beard and are in black, so if you ever do drop one you will be able to spot it on snow easily...but just not as easily as the yellow LEP ones at any other time.

The 200 series has a bluetooth/communication link which is coupled with a necklace transmitter and enables you to use the phone or mutter to your fellow patrol members in tense situations...

Alan
 
These are completely solid ear plugs that reduce approximately 30db of noise.

You know as well as I do that what this actually says is "we've no idea of the attenuation of these plugs." However, in one sense they may be correct, as with certain fitments and at certain specific frequencies then it is likely these plugs will achieve exactly 30dB of attenuation, as will every other plug on earth including sticking bits of bread in your ears.

CENS claim an SNR of 25dB for their electronic molded plugs and an SNR of 31dB for their foam tipped MINO plugs. Most other makers of molded plugs, and CENS are the only ones I know of who are doing fully certified measurements, also claim something in the low to mid 20s so I would guess that unless there has been a major breakthrough in technology, and if there were it would be on their front page, then these plugs will also produce an SNR in the 20 - 25dB range. Again the limiting factor with molded plugs must be that they can't expand to fit the ear.
 
Incidentally the Peltor/3M do a couple of alternative versions; the TEP-100 and TEP and LEP 200. I seem to remember...the T sadly stands for Tactical so will go with one's tactical beard and are in black, so if you ever do drop one you will be able to spot it on snow easily...but just not as easily as the yellow LEP ones at any other time.

The 200 series has a bluetooth/communication link which is coupled with a necklace transmitter and enables you to use the phone or mutter to your fellow patrol members in tense situations...

Thanks for the info, although I'm sure the brighter LEPs might be just as hard to spot in some (yellow) snow conditions - just make sure you wash them before reinserting!

Interestingly the Bluetooth LEP200 are only £4.95 plus vat dearer than the LP100 on the website caorach linked to earlier

Maybe they stiff you with the wireless neckloop accessory as I can't see that listed.
 
Thanks for the info, although I'm sure the brighter LEPs might be just as hard to spot in some (yellow) snow conditions - just make sure you wash them before reinserting!

Interestingly the Bluetooth LEP200 are only £4.95 plus vat dearer than the LP100 on the website caorach linked to earlier

Maybe they stiff you with the wireless neckloop accessory as I can't see that listed.

I always wonder whether the BBC are tongue in cheek when they give a Yellow Snow warning...though they are careful to say a "Yellow Warning for Snow"...it is only a matter of time before they slip up!

The LEPs do go up and down in price...mine were £253 inc VAT from Amazon in December 2017 but now they do them at £329.99 and they have been up to almost £400....shop around is the order of the day.

I bought the foam tips I use from the Earshot communications, they ordered them in especially...and they have been consistently good on the LEP price...

Alan
 
I used to use Cens plugs but found when it was hot outside , my ears would get very sore and very hot , Now use MSA Sordin with gel cuffs very happy .
 
Thanks for all the posts I have been reading the replies with interest.

As a lay person some of the advice seems counterintuitive e.g. My assumption would be that an ear plug which has been custom made to fit my ear would be a better fit and seal than a standard mass made plug. But some of the comments seem to suggest that custom made plugs don’t seal as well as the mass made plugs. I still struggle to fully understand how that can be the case. I understand the point about the hard plastic type but most of the ones I have been looking at seem to be made of medical silicone which I guess is soft/flexible.

I have contacted Custom Fit Guards and asked about the dB reduction and warranty. They responded “The CF Digital acts as a solid block so offers around 30db in protectrion. The warranty is 12 months, but if ever there is an after issue, we will always do our best to sort any issues that you may have.”

So right now I am trying to decide between the Peltor Tep/Lep-200 or the Custom Fit Guards. I like the protection of buying a product from a global company like Peltor and all the R&D that will have gone into developing the product. But, also like the idea of supporting a smaller UK company and getting a custom made product made just for me.
 
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Thanks for all the posts I have been reading the replies with interest.

As a lay person some of the advice seems counterintuitive e.g. My assumption would be that an ear plug which has been custom made to fit my ear would be a better fit and seal than a standard mass made plug. But some of the comments seem to suggest that custom made plugs don’t seal as well as the mass made plugs. I still struggle to fully understand how that can be the case. I understand the point about the hard plastic type but most of the ones I have been looking at seem to be made of medical silicone which I guess is soft/flexible.

I have contacted Custom Fit Guards and asked about the dB reduction and warranty. They responded “The CF Digital acts as a solid block so offers around 30db in protectrion. The warranty is 12 months, but if ever there is an after issue, we will always do our best to sort any issues that you may have.”

So right now I am trying to decide between the Peltor Tep/Lep-200 or the Custom Fit Guards. I like the protection of buying a product from a global company like Peltor and all the R&D that will have gone into developing the product. But, also like the idea of supporting a smaller UK company and getting a custom made product made just for me.


Although it is disappointing that Custom Fit Guards will not give you the attenuation figures in the standard format...the advantage of any of the active plugs over the passive type is that you do not need to take them out mid session...no point having high SNR figure pods if they were around your neck when the shot went off...as I have discovered to my cost.

PPE Safety stuff can only protect you if it is being worn, obvious I know, but I always ignored price and went for comfort and convenience in the workshop PPE for both me and my assistants so that it could be worn all day.

The passive plugs, even those with the capillary tube or diaphragm system to allow some conversation, still reduce it enough to make it easier to converse with them out.

Even if the SNR rating was equal to the LEPs, the Li-ion rechargeable system would sway the decision for me. The zinc -air batteries that all the others use are a faff to change with cold fingers and are time limited...so once activated they lose charge whether they are used or not...okay for daily use hearing aids...but for occasional use when shooting not so good. Leave them a couple of weeks after an hours use and they are flat.

Alan
 
That’s a good point and I do like the charging case with the Lep/Tep.

Is the only difference between them the colour or are there any other variables?
 
That’s a good point and I do like the charging case with the Lep/Tep.

Is the only difference between them the colour or are there any other variables?

I don't remember seeing any...I only noticed the TEP versions after I had bought my LEPs...the LEPs I had have EU after their name but that only seemed to affect the Spec system so they were SNR rated. The TEPs specs that I have seen have the US NRR figures. The main difference seemed to be between the 100 and 200 series versions. The 200s have the additional communication facility.

Alan
 
My hearing buggered especially one side high frequency through shooting and work

Like you, wanted to halt any further damage

I have over ear muffs for clays or range but then and solid moulded jobs useless whilst out stalking or a flight pond etc due to not hearing anything about you other than your breathing !

Last two years at Moy gamefair lad there doing the Cens.... I waited half hour first year still no sign Of getting a chat / info from the guy ... walked away.....
Last year he there again, walked past .. managed to get in spoke to him £299 and went for it ... screw it get it done...
Used them on walked up day and the enhanced hearing is ideal then the shot being attenuated is great.

4 x volume settings is good.

No complaints so far

Paul
 
snip...As a lay person some of the advice seems counterintuitive e.g. My assumption would be that an ear plug which has been custom made to fit my ear would be a better fit and seal than a standard mass made plug. But some of the comments seem to suggest that custom made plugs don’t seal as well as the mass made plugs. I still struggle to fully understand how that can be the case. I understand the point about the hard plastic type but most of the ones I have been looking at seem to be made of medical silicone which I guess is soft/flexible.
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Forgot to mention that if you look back at @caorach 's post above CENS own figures show their non-custom fit plugs have a higher attenuation rating than their fitted ones which confirms the point however counterintuitive it appears initially.

The SNR ratings are not infallible...but it is the best we've got. Especially if they are from the same manufacturer.

Alan
 
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