DMQ Wild boar qualification

[timbrayford]

Here we go ...

How long before police state need A
“ BMQ 1 or 2”
Before they condition your certs for boar?

How long before Defra or relevant government body finally put in a legal min calibre?



Paul

Its all but inevitable that paper qualifications will become a prerequisite before granting of FACs & SGCs at some time in the future. The hazard that the shooting community faces by not having our own voluntary schemes such as DSC1 & 2 in place is that a statutory one will be imposed by government instead. They might well consult with organisations such as LACS, GCN, RSPB, RSPCA, NPCC,NE etc. to assist with drafting such legislation, but as many shooters will say, we don't need any qualifications do we?

 

[jimbo1984]

Only 20? Well fair play to you Jim, you always have said that your knowledge was gained in the field, rather than "book learning", and now I know it!

Ha ha I’ve always been a prolific reader but the books I’m counting on deer around 20 I’ve many more on other country sports and subjects

 

[jimbo1984]

Its all but inevitable that paper qualifications will become a prerequisite before granting of FACs & SGCs at some time in the future. The hazard that the shooting community faces by not having our own voluntary schemes such as DSC1 & 2 in place is that a statutory one will be imposed by government instead. They might well consult with organisations such as LACS, GCN, RSPB, RSPCA, NPCC,NE etc. to assist with drafting such legislation, but as many shooters will say, we don't need any qualifications do we?

I’d much rather a statutory one by the government like the one I had to pass in Canada that the Dsc system which as I will say again is about money
Though to be fair I don’t think we need either , how many were dying of food poisoning from poor carcasses or being shot by careless stalkers before the Dsc system ? I’d be very interested to see the figures ......

 

[SDM]

What about the new ASQ qualification being thrown about ??

 

[oldgregg]

I understand Tom some aren’t as fortunate to get out often the point being going on a paid stalk with a pro stalker will learn you a lot

Jimbo, not always the case ....... What makes a pro stalker! Plenty of those about these days (self proclaimed)!

TomT3, dispite what some say and in IMO Dsc1 is worth having as a benchmark because each course/ trainer should have been assessed. By having it makes people no better or worse than somebody that does hold it.

How people interpret that information after they finish the course to me is a better indicator of ability!

 

[jimbo1984]

Jimbo, not always the case ....... What makes a pro stalker! Plenty of those about these days (self proclaimed)!

TomT3, dispite what some say and in IMO Dsc1 is worth having as a benchmark because each course/ trainer should have been assessed. By having it makes people no better or worse than somebody that does hold it.

How people interpret that information after they finish the course to me is a better indicator of ability!

So your suggesting that you’ll learn more on a course than out with a pro stalker in the field ??
And a pro is someone who does it for a living with a lot of experience. Plenty of estates with pro stalkers

 

[oldgregg]

So your suggesting that you’ll learn more on a course than out with a pro stalker in the field ??
And a pro is someone who does it for a living with a lot of experience. Plenty of estates with pro stalkers

That depends on the pro stalker! Plenty don't do it for a living, yet advertise the fact they are!

So in some cases, I would rather do the course so i could then make my own mind up.

 

[jimbo1984]

That depends on the pro stalker! Plenty don't do it for a living, yet advertise the fact they are!

So in some cases, I would rather do the course so i could then make my own mind up.

That’s true , plenty of instant experts around .....

 

[Gm81]

This is where the problem lies ^^^^
I see a parallel situation in the farming industry, where farmers are so wedded to the comfort of their subsidies that they (and the groups that support them such as nfu, nsa, etc etc) won't stand up against the introduction of new and pointless legislation, for fear that they will be docked their payments if they refuse to comply. And so the steamroller passes on....

Currently there is a choice with regard to DSC1 etc, but unless we avail ourselves of the right to exercise choice, eventually the choice will be withdrawn. That, I believe, is the crux of what Jimbo says about all this.

I completely agree with what you say. But being honest. I know what I would do. That’s my choice.
But I stand by a course is to learn. Not to police.
So I take it Jimbo and yourself (VSS) dont have any training courses?

 

[oldgregg]

That’s true , plenty of instant experts around .....

So does dsc 1 not give the novice stalker an introduction into what should be expected by a regulated awarding body ( like them or not)?

 

[Gm81]

So your suggesting that you’ll learn more on a course than out with a pro stalker in the field ??
And a pro is someone who does it for a living with a lot of experience. Plenty of estates with pro stalkers

I would say absolutely not. But can’t you learn from both aspects? When it’s field time. You don’t have the time for class room stuff. Or reading a book.
If I was wealthy enough. I would do a “pro stalk” all the time.
Am I right I’m thinking a lot of them wanted you to have a dsc1 to go out? Or is that just if you go solo. I’m not experienced in this area. All my money has gone into my home setup at the moment. Chiller etc. Hopefully next year getting to a guided stalk.

 

[Gm81]

Maybe we should start a new thread. Sorry op for off subject

 

[jimbo1984]

I would say absolutely not. But can’t you learn from both aspects? When it’s field time. You don’t have the time for class room stuff. Or reading a book.
If I was wealthy enough. I would do a “pro stalk” all the time.
Am I right I’m thinking a lot of them wanted you to have a dsc1 to go out? Or is that just if you go solo. I’m not experienced in this area. All my money has gone into my home setup at the moment. Chiller etc. Hopefully next year getting to a guided stalk.

I believe that’s to go solo accompanied stalking requires no such “qualification”

 

[.270]

Jimbo, not always the case ....... What makes a pro stalker! Plenty of those about these days (self proclaimed)!

TomT3, dispite what some say and in IMO Dsc1 is worth having as a benchmark because each course/ trainer should have been assessed. By having it makes people no better or worse than somebody that does hold it.

How people interpret that information after they finish the course to me is a better indicator of ability!

I will tell you who is a pro stalker, a person who was stalking before any DSC was about. With years of Experience in the field. Not someone who has had a weeks course and been assessed by who and who assessed him. "Robin Hood". I have seen it at first hand, a Trained Stalker who has done all the Certs, who could Not Hit a Barn Door at a 100 yds but he had the Certs.

 

[jimbo1984]

So does dsc 1 not give the novice stalker an introduction into what should be expected by a regulated awarding body ( like them or not)?

In theory yes , however that’s the point it’s just theory I’ve taken stalkers out who have Dsc 2 and not a clue having shot a handful of deer , in my opinion that money they spent on “ qualification “ would’ve been much better spent in the field , this is by no means an isolated occurance

 

[jimbo1984]

Maybe we should start a new thread. Sorry op for off subject

I believe it’s actually very on subject so to speak , the boar “ qualification” just shows how ridiculous it all is

 

[VSS]

I completely agree with what you say. But being honest. I know what I would do. That’s my choice.
But I stand by a course is to learn. Not to police.
So I take it Jimbo and yourself (VSS) dont have any training courses?

Indeed I do! I thoroughly enjoyed doing DSC1, benefitted greatly, and would recommend it to anyone.
The issue is about whether such courses are becoming compulsory by default.

 

[potshotpat]

Could you fail on a Boar Qualifying course at identification.

 

[User00003]

In places like Denmark and Germany there are stringent requirements to pass exams and tests to demonstrate respect for quarry, skills, safety, etc. etc. it's not a money making exercise, but rather to ensure public H&S and animals are being managed and killed ethically and not exploited. Esp. in Germany where hunting often occurs in social settings (the French and Italians could learn from this!), it's even more important to have a very well founded safety background/training.

Whilst I enjoy the system here and believe compulsory courses are not particularly appetizing, I understand the rationale behind them and respect that.

What I don't respect is when things are implemented by the powers above us for money making regimes...I think 'that' happens more in the UK than anywhere else with these sorts of things,,airport parking, congestion charges,,etc. etc...

apparently soon we will have a wood burning stove tax as burning your own wood means less tax pennies collected on gas/electricity usage, so clearly you OWE the state money for trying to be so damn sneaky!! punished must you be!

 

[Gm81]

Indeed I do! I thoroughly enjoyed doing DSC1, benefitted greatly, and would recommend it to anyone.
The issue is about whether such courses are becoming compulsory by default.

So you and I agree then. A course to learn. Not to police. Which is why I did mine. I wanted too. I felt it would help me learn and improve. Which I did.
I think we are all ok with the learning. It’s the making the learning option compulsory which we don’t like.
I guess it depends on where you want to shoot deer really.