Has Boris shot himself in the foot.

[Freeforester]

You'd think there were no other developing economies anywhere in the world; the economic prospects for trade beyond Europe are the future for us, not being stuck in an inefficient protectionist racket.

Lose lose? It may be in your own 'enlightened self-interest' to cling to the current (soon to be changed, and radically) regime and its 'benefits', but it is not in the National interest.

 

[Highlandsjohn]

"End result will be another hung parliament and week coalition government and brexit will drag on and on and on costing us billions and forcing us deeper and deeper into recession"

Hi Chasey, I would imagine that the BREXIT PARTY will want to be involved in a GE and there is no telling just how many votes they will take from disgruntled labour/libs who wanted to leave. Add that to every conservative PPC being on the leave ticket, sounds to me like a win for leave.
Now the trick is to get an election underway as Mr Corbyn is shitting himself because he knows his days are numbered and is aware a GE will be his swansong..

 

[Dexter]

Option 4: Not even Borris is THAT stupid

Option 5: Mute point as the EU are aware that a no deal leave would be economic suicide. Bad for both sides but REELY bad for the UK. If we were to commit economic suicide the EU would be left with no choice but to nail us to the floor till we screamed and begged for mercy as a lesson to others who might consider it an option. Admit it, its what you would do if someone screwed you over? Its deffo what Id do.

The professionals in Parliament know all this, and they will stop him unless theres a general election and we vote him back in with a land slide

Id be happy, but the problem is the opposition party is also pro Brexit but with a deal that I fear will please no one and it has a leader so divisive its hard to say he will have enough support if he did get in to push forward a good economic deal

End result will be another hung parliament and week coalition government and brexit will drag on and on and on costing us billions and forcing us deeper and deeper into recession

Its a lose lose situation

Boris certainly isn't Stupid.
All the rest of what you say appears to be straight off the BBC website, Chasey. None of us know what a no deal Brexit would result in. I don't really listen to scaremongering which is what your post appears to be.

 

[Apthorpe]

Let us suppose that those agitating against Government policy are allowed to take control and do exactly what they want. Where does that take us?
1. "They have no mandate for this" to borrow a favourite complaint of Remoaners - although in this case it applies. Those MPs who passed last night's motion have considerably less democratic mandate than the Government does, however you try to justify it. If the Government shouldn't be allowed to have its way with no deal, there's even less right for any other course.
2. Virtually nobody voted against no deal! The majority voted in the referendum for a choice that included the probability of no deal - and they did know what they were doing. A far larger majority of MPs legislated for no deal being the default policy.
3. Last night's majority is split between MPs who want to cancel Brexit and those who want to leave the EU with a deal. There is no greater parliamentary support for any alternate pathway to the Government's. These people are not in favour of any course of action. They are just blocking the necessary policy of the UK.
4. Suppose we have a different Government that wants a deal. The EU has categorically been saying for months that we can never have a different deal. How does that Government get a deal?
5. Suppose we install a Remain government next. It cancels Brexit. How can that government claim it has any legitimacy whatsoever? The majority have voted and Parliament has legislated for a situation in which the UK population should no longer be subject to EU law. How can a future Government overturn that without a referendum?
6. If there is a referendum, we need to remember that the previous referendum would have achieved nothing and therefore the result of a second referendum would have no authority either. We also need to bear in mind that the population is considerably better informed as to some of the fictions about the EU that were widely believed prior the last referendum. There's no guarantee that a second referendum changes anything. Do we imagine all these Remoaners will lie down and accept the result if it goes against them again? Not for a second. The stark fact is that they have rejected democracy altogether in favour of EU membership.

 

[tackb]

Boris certainly isn't Stupid.
All the rest of what you say appears to be straight off the BBC website, Chasey. None of us know what a no deal Brexit would result in. I don't really listen to scaremongering which is what your post appears to be.

here like else where in the country pant wetting remainers like chasey are peddling their project fear , they are in the minority here and elsewhere !

 

[Apthorpe]

An interesting side effect of an election is that this time the Speaker's position is at risk. With an impartial speaker, would we have got into this position. Quite possibly not.
Since Bercow has made it clear time and again that it is not necessary for Speakers to adhere to constitutional convention, there's really no reason now why the next Speaker could not be brazenly be a hard-Brexiteer. It would be in keeping with the precedents set by Remoaners. It would be an outrageous affront to democracy, but they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Unfortunately Remainers have trashed important chunks of our constitution to get to where they are now. It's permanent damage to our democracy.

 

[8885]

Good for Boris someone with a pair of balls.He should not be having to fight the remainers in this country they should have his and the peoples back as we said leave
after 2 wars won the it appears half of the elected M P s want to give up and let Germany France and unelected foreign tossers rule us.

 

[Apthorpe]

Perhaps some Remainers could explain how a government revoking Article 50 staying in the EU could have any authority to govern when there is no democratic mandate for doing this? What do they do about the fact that only around 20-30% at most of people want to cancel Brexit?
What do they do to accommodate Leavers? I don't understand how they think they would be able to govern.


Chasey's usually game for making an effort, much to his credit.

 

[kenbro]

Option 4: Not even Borris is THAT stupid

Option 5: Mute point as the EU are aware that a no deal leave would be economic suicide. Bad for both sides but REELY bad for the UK. If we were to commit economic suicide the EU would be left with no choice but to nail us to the floor till we screamed and begged for mercy as a lesson to others who might consider it an option. Admit it, its what you would do if someone screwed you over? Its deffo what Id do.

The professionals in Parliament know all this, and they will stop him unless theres a general election and we vote him back in with a land slide

Id be happy, but the problem is the opposition party is also pro Brexit but with a deal that I fear will please no one and it has a leader so divisive its hard to say he will have enough support if he did get in to push forward a good economic deal

End result will be another hung parliament and week coalition government and brexit will drag on and on and on costing us billions and forcing us deeper and deeper into recession

Its a lose lose situation

Chasey,
Can’t help thinking, you have absolutely no faith in the United Kingdom.
Regards,Ken.

 

[Chasey]

Boris certainly isn't Stupid.
All the rest of what you say appears to be straight off the BBC website, Chasey. None of us know what a no deal Brexit would result in. I don't really listen to scaremongering which is what your post appears to be.

Never visited the BBC web site. I am more into the FT and the Economist. Mid you I do admit to watching Bloomberg

If it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck its most likely a duck

pretty much every business and organisation out there has warned against a no deal Brexit. Even the fisheries have thrown up arms in anger at the massive damage it will do to the UK fishing industry.

And yet people are still saying its fake news??

I am staggered at the blind faith in the mirical Brexit. It makes the second coming of Chrst look inevitable in the next few weeks

Cant wait. Second coming and the reconstitution of the UK as a world leading super power. free ice cream for every one and a vastly improved NHS its going to be amazing.

 

[Apthorpe]

Never visited the BBC web site. I am more into the FT and the Economist. Mid you I do admit to watching Bloomberg

If it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck its most likely a duck

pretty much every business and organisation out there has warned against a no deal Brexit. Even the fisheries have thrown up arms in anger at the massive damage it will do to the UK fishing industry.

And yet people are still saying its fake news??

I am staggered at the blind faith in the mirical Brexit. It makes the second coming of Chrst look inevitable in the next few weeks

Cant wait. Second coming and the reconstitution of the UK as a world leading super power. free ice cream for every one and a vastly improved NHS its going to be amazing.

Line by line:

....or it's an idiot in a duck suit.

It's an error to assume that the interests of big businesses and the interest of voters/consumers coincide. In this case, big businesses are lobbying for higher prices to consumers, protection from competition and avoiding short-term costs of disruption. Large companies operate on a time horizon of under 5 years, because, on average, the leadership of the company will be gone by then and they are incentivised to maximise short term gain. Everybody know Brexit does not maximise short term gain for such businesses, but that is no reason not to do it.
Secondly, the long term growth rate achievable in the EU is inadequate to support the country. Being in there is economically unsustainable.

It is fake news, because much of the noise is generated by lobby groups which make very spurious claims about how many businesses they represent. Businesses and lobby groups pro-Brexit are generally ignored or provided with minimal coverage, while the BBC and other overtly biased media outlets provide huge and uncritical coverage to anti-Brexit voices.

The fisheries are not anti-Brexit. They are anti being sold down the river again in a deal. The fish themselves are certainly not pro-CFP.

 

[rutland]

Its hard to believe we was once a real powerful nation, one to be reckoned with. Now look at us we must be the laughing stock, The people that we elect to represent us have taken 3 years and achieved naff all apart than to back us into a corner like a scared cat, waiting for any morcels to be thrown to us. Its a total disgrace, I don't profess to know a great deal of the ins and outs of all parlimentry dealings and so I cant understand how these MPs can just jump ship from one party to another, I find it very baffling as the hour before they would have been slagging them off.
We have shown Europe all of our cards and have no way out. We are still controlled by Europe and still will be.
I often feel for the people that fought and gave the ultimate sacrifice for this once mighty nation , and feel embarrassed .

 

[Chasey]

Perhaps some Remainers could explain how a government revoking Article 50 staying in the EU could have any authority to govern when there is no democratic mandate for doing this? What do they do about the fact that only around 20-30% at most of people want to cancel Brexit?
What do they do to accommodate Leavers? I don't understand how they think they would be able to govern.


Chasey's usually game for making an effort, much to his credit.

I keep answering this question but no one seems to listen

We are not a democracy we are a parlimentory democracy.

Parliament is supposed to be the common sense / professional buffer between an ignorant population gut over reaction, the loony fringe, manipulation for personal gain and implementation of any acts laws taxes etc

And thank god for that, because if it were not for this system, none of us would own any sort of firearm

Parliament are now trying to prevent a suicidal Brexit plan. That's their job. To act as the last line of defence between the lunatics, the mis guided and the miss informed, the power / money grabbers and the real power.

You seem very happy to accept this when it protects your right to hunt and own firearms, but not so much when it comes to Brexit???

Every one rants and raves when the justice system protects someone we all feel is guilty, but yet we wallow in the comfort that the justice system provides.

Same with Parliamentary Democracy


You want democracy? lets have a reforendum on firearms ownership, hunting, 4X4 ownership, salaries, tax levels, land ownership and right to roam, etc etc

Come on lets have some reel democracy and lets see how YOU like it

 

[243 fallow]

I keep answering this question but no one seems to listen

We are not a democracy we are a parlimentory democracy.

Parliament is supposed to be the common sense / professional buffer between an ignorant population gut over reaction, the loony fringe, manipulation for personal gain and implementation of any acts laws taxes etc

And thank god for that, because if it were not for this system, none of us would own any sort of firearm

Parliament are now trying to prevent a suicidal Brexit plan. That's their job. To act as the last line of defence between the lunatics, the mis guided and the miss informed, the power / money grabbers and the real power.

You seem very happy to accept this when it protects your right to hunt and own firearms, but not so much when it comes to Brexit???

Every one rants and raves when the justice system protects someone we all feel is guilty, but yet we wallow in the comfort that the justice system provides.

Same with Parliamentary Democracy


You want democracy? lets have a reforendum on firearms ownership, hunting, 4X4 ownership, salaries, tax levels, land ownership and right to roam, etc etc

Come on lets have some reel democracy and lets see how YOU like it

Who are the far right

 

[Pine Marten]

Good for Boris someone with a pair of balls.He should not be having to fight the remainers in this country they should have his and the peoples back as we said leave
after 2 wars won the it appears half of the elected M P s want to give up and let Germany France and unelected foreign tossers rule us.

1. It is precisely because of the two wars and to make sure that doesn't happen anymore that the EU exists.
2. The EU is NOT run by unelected people! Honestly, it's just not true! Foreign tossers, maybe, but also our very own elected tossers, same as everyone else! We just had a European election, where we sent mostly Brexit Party MEPs, which is a far more democratic result arguable than we have in our own home-grown electoral system. We had commissioners, same as everyone else. Now the EU civil service is unelected, but so is our own, they're not politicians. Grrrrrr.

 

[Tim.243]

I have said it before and will say it again,
One of the main players in this started WW2 also Italy were glad to stick the boot in....
STILL in living memory the film reels depict the Allied Forces going to save Europe with many countries families acting as turn coats giving up our men and women to be tortured then shot...

The French and the rest were grateful for us coming to save them and for what?....the men and women who are pulling our chain from Europe and with in this country would p iss their pants at the first sound of an air raid siren let alone jump out of a plane or tend to the wounded with bombs falling over head...

GET A GRIP

Tim.243

 

[dartmoordog]

I keep answering this question but no one seems to listen

Having read all of your drivel, I agree on the above.

 

[User00025]

Don't worry only 10 -15 years and it will all be sorted out

I'm not worrying because I'll be in a better place then.

 

[dodgyrog]

Hopefully he'll burn in hell.

You sir, are a disgrace!

 

[reloader54]

Boston tea party anyone...?

hobnob, anyone.