Zeroing...

A safe backstop is something that you know (as much as is humanly possible as odd things can happen with the best of intentions) will stop the bullet you are firing.

Tim is right though, there is always a risk when you send lead across the landscape at silly speeds. The trick is to control as much as you can all of the time. Do not shoot in to a hedge for example even if you know K2 is behind it. The mountain might stop the bullet but only after it has gone through the drunk moron who decided to have a kip behind a hedge.

Shooting in to an incline can seem like a good idea and depending on the incline, could well be a sound decision. But it also depends at what height you are firing from. If you are below the level of where the incline starts, be honest with yourself and think how shallow the angle actually is from the muzzle of your rifle to point at which you intend it to impact the earth. What seems like a safe incline could actually act as a ramp for a nice little ricochet.

Ground condition is important too. Is it the middle of a mild winter with nice soggy ground that will swallow a bullet or is it late summer after 4 weeks drought and baked hard ground. I am not saying the ground will win the battle with a bullet but a piece of lead is more likely to bounce of something hard than bore in to it. That doesn't mean it cannot ricochet off wet ground.

Real safe shots are shooting in a valley from an elevated position in to a far bank. Or shooting a fox under a high seat ha ha.

I am obviously playing devils advocate with you but it is worth thinking about plenty. The more you shoot, the more you consider the consequences as everyone who has shot a good deal has had bullets behave in a way that were outside of their expectations.

Our land is very very hilly, so plenty of safe shots but actually, there are tons of unsafe shots. One particular example sticks out (normally because there is a tidy munty or raggy crow sat there) where it is what many would consider a safe shot in to a hill that inclines but directly behind the shot is a village about 600yds away. I would shoot a frangible HMR bullet into that hill but I can never bring myself to let a heavy CF round go. I bet you could fire 999 safe shots out of a 1000 at that incline but I know it is not steep enough to be absolutely safe. I have mates who would look at it and say "bollocks, that is completely fine" They are not the ones pulling the trigger though. If I was in a high seat or elevated, I would take it.

If in doubt, don't shoot. You cannot stop it once its gone.

The other thing to consider is your actually position you shoot from. Shooting off sticks does increase that angle of attack whereas shooting off the ground from a pack or bipod puts you lower and shallows out the angle of the bullet. They are small margins but can make all the difference.


Thanks very much.

I shoot off quad sticks. I walk and shoot so the extra movement of going prone, I find can cause the target to hop off PDQ. Therefore I find sticks to be the best method. There have been plenty of times when I have been looking through the scope and the ground behind has no back stop and I have just watched the rabbit continue munching. I figure there is always another day, so no point taking chances.
 
Hi,
A fairly simple question.
I was zeroing a couple of rifles. My ground is completely private with no footpaths. I set my target up and I had taken a couple of shots. I made my adjustments to the scope and I was about to lie down to shoot again. I then saw a chap walking his dog along the hedge about 3-4 hundred yards from where I was. I shouted to draw his attention to me. He turned around and walked back from where he had come. I waited and after a few minutes I saw him on the far side of the field and out of my line of fire.

If god forbid he had been shot would I have been liable?
RS
Complex area, did you mean liable on a civil sense, or criminal?
You would almost certainly have some civil liability but you are indemnufied through your insurance for that.

Criminally, the cpa has to establish you acted in a negligent or unreasonable way, and for it to be in public interest.

A bit like driving your car on a motorway and someone jumps out and you hit and kill them. Would a reasonable person expect that to happen, and what if any, avoidance could be taken without endangering self or others?

I have seen people wander across firing lines at bisley and many other wonderful things on ranges... no such thing as a safe range but the reasonable man test stands.
 
Complex area, did you mean liable on a civil sense, or criminal?
You would almost certainly have some civil liability but you are indemnufied through your insurance for that.

Criminally, the cpa has to establish you acted in a negligent or unreasonable way, and for it to be in public interest.

A bit like driving your car on a motorway and someone jumps out and you hit and kill them. Would a reasonable person expect that to happen, and what if any, avoidance could be taken without endangering self or others?

I have seen people wander across firing lines at bisley and many other wonderful things on ranges... no such thing as a safe range but the reasonable man test stands.
If you shoot someone accidentally then you have acted
Negligently. Either through unsafe firearm handling or insufficient backstop etc.

I cannot ever imagine a case where the shooter would not have been at fault.

If it is possible that there may be a person in a dangerous position (even though they have no right to be there) then no shot should be taken
 
Before you shoot members of the public, they really have to be very very irritating. Even then, preparation is key. That involves digging a very deep hole, (six feet deep I believe is normal) previously in an area which is not where you normally shoot. Then afterwards, change the firing pin and barrel on your rifle and clean it to within an inch of it's life. Probably wise to dispose of any ammunition like you use on the subject too. You might consider applying for a variation for a hand gun for humane (har har) dispatch in case your rifle shot isn't immediately effective. Although they are hard to get I'm told. If you transport the remains in your vehicle, then it needs to be set on fire afterwards (fear not, that's what we have insurance for) and, of course tell nobody. Which probably means giving up alcohol for life. Always remember though that it's very necessary to have a safe back stop when shooting humans. We don't want a wandering deer, fox or crow copping it by mistake! The good news is that there is actually no close season for Homo Sapiens.

I probably watch too much telly.
 
The good news is that there is actually no close season for Homo Sapiens

I was always confused by the DSC1 manual quoting the closed seasons and then asking questions about the open season dates....

Are you sure you have that the right way round?

Alan
 
If you shoot someone accidentally then you have acted
Negligently. Either through unsafe firearm handling or insufficient backstop etc.

I cannot ever imagine a case where the shooter would not have been at fault.

If it is possible that there may be a person in a dangerous position (even though they have no right to be there) then no shot should be taken
I don't think that it's that straight forward, for e.g. if you get a 90 degree ricochet from a backstop. As said before you may be in for a civil claim but after that I am not sure criminally how this would go.
 
I don't think that it's that straight forward, for e.g. if you get a 90 degree ricochet from a backstop. As said before you may be in for a civil claim but after that I am not sure criminally how this would go.
Good luck with that in court, lol.
You’d be in the nick no question
 
I have a hunting license for foreigners!!
Am I covered then?
 

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