sending your ticket to someone who's rifle you wish to buy

[bobjs]

Just asked a chap if his 17 hmr was still for sale and it was, but this thing about sending them your certificate is not on,

its stopping honest people from purchasing firearms and getting what they want buy asking the RFD to do it. at both ends, after all they charge you for it.

I for one will not send my certificate to anyone to sign a rifle, mod or what ever onto,

so it looks like this chaps missed many a sale and I will have to buy pocally where the costs are silly,

what a f00kup

bob.

 

[Orion]

Just asked a chap if his 17 hmr was still for sale and it was, but this thing about sending them your certificate is not on,

its stopping honest people from purchasing firearms and getting what they want buy asking the RFD to do it. at both ends, after all they charge you for it.

I for one will not send my certificate to anyone to sign a rifle, mod or what ever onto,

so it looks like this chaps missed many a sale and I will have to buy pocally where the costs are silly,

what a f00kup

bob.

What's the problem? Do you think he'll have cosmetic surgery to enable him to use your FAC?

Certainly doesn't stop this honest person from buying anything!

 

[Island]

Whether you agree with it or not, the process of the seller entering the details on to your license is what the law stipulates. Unless both you and the seller want to go down the route of "Owner 1 selling to RFD1 - RFD1 selling through the trade and transferring to RFD2 - RFD2 selling to you". By the time that everyone has taken their cut I would suggest that any perceived savings would be somewhat nullified...

I would suggest that ultimately the biggest loser in this would be yourself due to your reluctance to follow the process laid down in law. As you note, it will restrict you to face-to-face transactions, or buying directly from a dealer, thus limiting your market.

 

[levigsp]

Whether you agree with it or not, the process of the seller entering the details on to your license is what the law stipulates. Unless both you and the seller want to go down the route of "Owner 1 selling to RFD1 - RFD1 selling through the trade and transferring to RFD2 - RFD2 selling to you". By the time that everyone has taken their cut I would suggest that any perceived savings would be somewhat nullified...

I would suggest that ultimately the biggest loser in this would be yourself due to your reluctance to follow the process laid down in law. As you note, it will restrict you to face-to-face transactions, or buying directly from a dealer, thus limiting your market.

look weather you like it or not a RFD can send as many fa to another rfd as he likes without selling them, for example because the are sending your shotgun on your behalf for reblacking. They therefore can send your rifle with you permission to the same rfd. Likewise the receiving RFD can with your permission sell it to someone, give it to someone, or otherwise dispose of it.. And according to Police Scotland as soon as your firearm ticket is out of your hands without their express knowledge, you have broken the law.

 

[Orion]

And according to Police Scotland as soon as your firearm ticket is out of your hands without their express knowledge, you have broken the law.

What offence has been committed?

 

[User00003]

Yeah I’m not sending my ticket to some random punter

 

[bobjs]

What's the problem? Do you think he'll have cosmetic surgery to enable him to use your FAC?

Certainly doesn't stop this honest person from buying anything!

if your happy sending your fac to some bloke on a forum crack on, but as mentioned above, I have also been informed that you should NOT send or surrender your certificate to anyone other then the police or your issueing force,

bob.

 

[Hornet 6]

its stopping honest people from purchasing firearms and getting what they want buy asking the RFD to do it. at both ends, after all they charge you for it.



bob.

So do your buying face to face, which is actually what we are supposed to do.

Neil.

 

[25 Sharps]

Surely the sensible option is to ask the sending RFD to take receipt of your ticket, the seller can then fill out the relevant section when they drop the rifle in, or is that just too sensible a solution?

 

[EMcC]

When I want to sell a firearm to somebody not local I give it to my local RFD to sell and then tell him where there is a buyer waiting for exactly what I have just given him to sell

 

[levigsp]

What offence has been committed?

According to the law you have to be able to show your firearm ticket when asked for it, if you havnt got it you cannot show it. I have been to 2 meetings about this whole thing, one in Scotland and another in England. The same conclusions were reached. You can send your ticket for the seller to sign, but if your asked for it you might get done! or you can ask a RFD to send the gun etc. Choice is yours and the RFD.

 

[Island]

Surely the sensible option is to ask the sending RFD to take receipt of your ticket, the seller can then fill out the relevant section when they drop the rifle in, or is that just too sensible a solution?

Now just steady on there chap. If we were all sensible then there would be nothing left for us to get outraged about...

 

[Island]

According to the law you have to be able to show your firearm ticket when asked for it, if you havnt got it you cannot show it. I have been to 2 meetings about this whole thing, one in Scotland and another in England. The same conclusions were reached. You can send your ticket for the seller to sign, but if your asked for it you might get done! or you can ask a RFD to send the gun etc. Choice is yours and the RFD.

Your conclusion is, therefore, you can either break the law (send your cert away apparently?) or break the law (willfully ignore the legal requirements of certificate completion when transferring a firearm).

I shall withhold judgement...

 

[levigsp]

Your conclusion is, therefore, you can either break the law (send your cert away apparently?) or break the law (willfully ignore the legal requirements of certificate completion when transferring a firearm).

I shall withhold judgement...

That's just the point, if a RFD sends it to another, NO law is broken, providing they have seller and buyer permission.

 

[25 Sharps]

When I want to sell a firearm to somebody not local I give it to my local RFD to sell and then tell him where there is a buyer waiting for exactly what I have just given him to sell

Does he take the 20% VAT on the chin or do you cover it?

 

[Miki]

Does he take the 20% VAT on the chin or do you cover it?

What VAT ?

 

[reloader54]

According to the law you have to be able to show your firearm ticket when asked for it, if you havnt got it you cannot show it. I have been to 2 meetings about this whole thing, one in Scotland and another in England. The same conclusions were reached. You can send your ticket for the seller to sign, but if your asked for it you might get done! or you can ask a RFD to send the gun etc. Choice is yours and the RFD.

how do you stand with a fac photocopy, after sending the original to a seller ? or is that construed as counterfeiting
how many have been convicted of an offence in this way?
If I have a fac then surely I can be identified as the legitimate holder by giving all the details on that fac without being in possession of it.
or is this just another ill thought out piece of legislative nonsense that is both unimplementable and largely misunderstood by all concerned?

 

[Hornet 6]

What VAT ?

VAT is charged on the profit the shop is making, if he does deals where he appears not to make a profit the VAT office will start penalising his business.

Neil.

 

[25 Sharps]

VAT is charged on the profit the shop is making, if he does deals where he appears not to make a profit the VAT office will start penalising his business.

Neil.

My mistake 16.67%

 

[Miki]

You sell the firearm to Fred, you take it to your RFD who, by agreement, sends it to Freds nominated RFD. Your RFD fills in your FAC, Fred (when collecting) gets his FAC checked and filled in and then you both (you and Fred) inform their respective FELD's of the disposal/acquisition. There is no VAT. The transfer (physical) is handled by the RFD as they are allowed/licenced to do this. The RFD didn't sell anything. He will make a charge (to cover his costs/time etc) which is likely subject to VAT as is the shipping.