Who the should any of us vote for?

[tikka_madras]

Here's another perspective: the Institute for Fiscal Studies says that neither the Tory nor Labour spending proposals are credible, albeit for different reasons:

General election 2019: Tory and Labour spending plans 'not credible' - IFS

Both main parties are not being honest ahead of the general election, an influential research group says.

www.bbc.co.uk

It says it's likely the Tories would end up spending more than they say...and Labour's plans are simply unachievable. Slightly different levels of "not credible" there.

 

[kes]

I am at a loss to understand why anyone would vote Labour after Corbyn's disastrous (for him and Labour) recent interview. It seems to me obvious its Mcdoughnut who is seeking power, Corbyn has no grasp whatsoever of what he is promising and its related costs, nor the consequences even for traditional labour supporters (whoever they may be..
Can anyone enlighten me why Corbyn and Labour retain any support from anyone ? I am at a complete loss to see why.

 

[Heym SR20]

Well I have just received my postal vote - there are a number of choices, but I can't support any. There is a local hustings this evening. I might just go along. But then I must go and sit by the fire with a good book - more productive and less depressing.

 

[User00025]

I am at a loss to understand why anyone would vote Labour after Corbyn's disastrous (for him and Labour) recent interview. It seems to me obvious its Mcdoughnut who is seeking power, Corbyn has no grasp whatsoever of what he is promising and its related costs, nor the consequences even for traditional labour supporters (whoever they may be..
Can anyone enlighten me why Corbyn and Labour retain any support from anyone ? I am at a complete loss to see why.

I would like to see his rap printed on here, put on posters throughout Britain. That would finish him.
My thoughts about this scabby barsteward of a terrorist lover are well known
He'd be better dead.

 

[Freeforester]

Leave the details to Comrade McDonnel, he has plans....

 

[sanibel686]

Like most here I don't have a scoobie how to separate the wheat from the chaff. The only glimpse we get of the truth these days is to listen very hard for the "unsaid" subtext populating the spaces between the rhetoric (of all of them). We are literally living in the matrix and we need help but we aren't going to get it.

Just to change the path slightly can I raise the OP's first Paragraph which I dont think has been commented on;

"My basic view is let people get on and run their own lives with as little interference as possible. And if they want to move, trade, do business, worship in a certain way etc, eat certain foods etc etc then get on and do it, but respect others views. Just about everybody will belong to a minority group of some description or other. But provided it doesn't harm others then so be it"

This for me is a bigger issue than who gets in because "live and let live" just isn't that simple any more. Minority groups of all types are ever more militant and evangelical with aspirations to become majority groups, clearly in some cases without regard to the harm they do to others. Paraphrasing Stephen Fry's famous observation; people who have different views rarely have views of equal value. In some cases these different views, if allowed space, are potentially harmful to the opposite viewholder and as such they absolutely don't deserve our respect. Yet we still treat them equally as having a right to hold those views.

 

[reloader54]

Like most here I don't have a scoobie how to separate the wheat from the chaff. The only glimpse we get of the truth these days is to listen very hard for the "unsaid" subtext populating the spaces between the rhetoric (of all of them). We are literally living in the matrix and we need help but we aren't going to get it.

Just to change the path slightly can I raise the OP's first Paragraph which I dont think has been commented on;

"My basic view is let people get on and run their own lives with as little interference as possible. And if they want to move, trade, do business, worship in a certain way etc, eat certain foods etc etc then get on and do it, but respect others views. Just about everybody will belong to a minority group of some description or other. But provided it doesn't harm others then so be it"

This for me is a bigger issue than who gets in because "live and let live" just isn't that simple any more. Minority groups of all types are ever more militant and evangelical with aspirations to become majority groups, clearly in some cases without regard to the harm they do to others. Paraphrasing Stephen Fry's famous observation; people who have different views rarely have views of equal value. In some cases these different views, if allowed space, are potentially harmful to the opposite viewholder and as such they absolutely don't deserve our respect. Yet we still treat them equally as having a right to hold those views.

 

[Hornet 6]

1) give them a task, e.g. Ask them to clean the bathroom.

2) pay them £10 for their work;

3) then take £7 back off them and give that money to the neighbours kids, who did bu&&er all.

Now they know how the system would work under Labour

You are obviously hugely over paid, to the average working man deductions run at about 26%

Neil.

 

[Hornet 6]

Just received my postal vote, I have four choices
Labour, Conservative, Green Party or Liberal Democrats.
So in effect I don't get to vote, and certainly don't have the same choices available as many others across the country.
So how is that fair or democratic.
LibDem and the Green Party have zero chance of winning anything, leaving Labour and Conservative for me to vote for.
Neither of them have demonstrated any reason at all for me to trust them, so I have to decide who will do the least damage.
Not sure how to do that, Conservative may indeed end up taking us out of the EU, but only by way of a deal which is good for them, but bad for the those of us who voted out.
Labour won't take us out either, but having watched this country fall apart under the control of the Tories, just who am I going to vote for ?

Neil.

 

[Spix]

Echoing what others have said. Our local Tory MP will most likely be re-elected and most likely with a deservedly reduced minority, a pathetic remainer. Labour candidate is newly minted, plastic moulded, no experience of anything and appears to be some species of transsexual.
Minor parties not worth the steam off.
No worthwhile vote, frustrating.

 

[Apthorpe]

You are obviously hugely over paid, to the average working man deductions run at about 26%

Neil.

You're only.thinking of income tax and national insurance. These make up less than half of the tax burden.
Not the host of other taxes - VAT, council tax, transport taxes, fuel tax, insurance tax, alcohol and tobacco taxes, tax on your rubbish, tax on your TV, tax on gravel, customs taxes, taxes relating to your employment taken from employer, tax on your pension, and a large chunk of future tax added to your account each year by govt borrowing etc. Etc.

 

[Apthorpe]

Just received my postal vote, I have four choices
Labour, Conservative, Green Party or Liberal Democrats.
So in effect I don't get to vote, and certainly don't have the same choices available as many others across the country.
So how is that fair or democratic.
LibDem and the Green Party have zero chance of winning anything, leaving Labour and Conservative for me to vote for.
Neither of them have demonstrated any reason at all for me to trust them, so I have to decide who will do the least damage.
Not sure how to do that, Conservative may indeed end up taking us out of the EU, but only by way of a deal which is good for them, but bad for the those of us who voted out.
Labour won't take us out either, but having watched this country fall apart under the control of the Tories, just who am I going to vote for ?

Neil.

You could draw up a list of other policies that would be important to you and decide what you preferred:
Eg..
State confiscation of your property: Labour -good. Conservatives - don't like it.
Terrorism: Labour likes it. Conservatives don't.
Want another recession im quick order? Vote Labour.
Want to be in the EU? Vote Labour
Want even looser immigration rules? Vote Labour
Want to pay more tax? Vote Labour
Want more expensive and unreliable utilities and transport? Vote Labour
Want to be a total idiot? Vote Labour

 

[Freeforester]

You forgot one - Dispense with risk assessment-based prisoner release for terrorists - done away with under the last Labour administration, in favour of automatic release...

 

[Apthorpe]

You forgot one - Dispense with risk assessment-based prisoner release for terrorists - done away with under the last Labour administration, in favour of automatic release...

So I did, but it's only a technicality, since terrorists wouldn't be arrested in the first place.

 

[Hornet 6]

You could draw up a list of other policies that would be important to you and decide what you preferred:
Eg..
State confiscation of your property: Labour -good. Conservatives - don't like it.
Terrorism: Labour likes it. Conservatives don't.
Want another recession im quick order? Vote Labour.
Want to be in the EU? Vote Labour
Want even looser immigration rules? Vote Labour
Want to pay more tax? Vote Labour
Want more expensive and unreliable utilities and transport? Vote Labour
Want to be a total idiot? Vote Labour

You seem to have forgotten a few, NHS, or the fact that official recession or not, we or I am worse off now than I ever have been.
Confiscation of property, well I don't own any, and my landlord is an arse who won't maintain his properties, worse my rent has just gone from £500 to £600
a month, the second rise in 2 years. The constant building of new houses in an area without the infrastructure to support them.
Want a doctors appointment, yup but not this side of christmas, you could I suppose arrive at the surgery at 7am and see if they have time to see you, you
may actually get seen on your 4th or 5th visit.


You are of course right that labour is a bad choice for the country, but locally they cannot be worse than what we have had during my lifetime.

Neil.

 

[jimmy milnes]

Labour keep banging on with this "the Conservatives are going the sell off the NHS" however if Labour get in power its screwed anyway as it would not be able to cope with the hords of immigrants that Labour wish to open Great Britain up to.
But being worried about this or worse still in this day and age saying things like this are a concern to you, apparently makes you a racist..

 

[reloader54]

Labour keep banging on with this "the Conservatives are going the sell off the NHS" however if Labour get in power its screwed anyway as it would not be able to cope with the hords of immigrants that Labour wish to open Great Britain up to.
But being worried about this or worse still in this day and age saying things like this are a concern to you, apparently makes you a racist..

 

[dartmoordog]

Why is everyone so against the building of 100000s of houses, it is the answer to everything, to me it makes perfect sense:

Ease the burden on hospitals....................Build more houses.
Reduce traffic congestion in our towns.....Build more houses.
Reduce the risk of flooding........................Build more houses.
Over crowded schools?.............................Build more houses.
Long waiting time to see a doctor?...........Build more houses.
Nowhere to park in our towns...................Build more houses.
Improve the water quality of our rivers..... Build more houses.

Make the greedy bast**d property developers even richer.........................Build more houses.

 

[User00025]

The one thing that always amazes me, which no party or no news group ever mention, regarding the NHS. (I am neither racist nor agin controlled immigration).
How many people have arrived in this country over the last 20 yrs? How many more doctors or hospitals are there? Probably 9 million people possibly one hospital extra. That's why it takes 3 wks to see a doctor and why the NHS is in the crap.
There may be a few thousand "foreign" doctors here but they no way equate to the incoming people.
☻☻☻☻☻

 

[enfieldspares]

It takes longer to see a GP not 'cos of immigrants but 'cos GPs are greedy and want the capitation fee they get for each patient on the books of the practice.

That and folk don't directly pay so don't end up out of pocket if they make an appointment and cancel it.

When I was in France my GP in France was the old school single handed practice now prohibited in UK.

You turned up in the day...without need for any pre-booked appointment and he saw you.

It cost 20 € which you then we're re-imbursed through your Carte Vitale French state medical card.