BASC Council Elections.

kes

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I have been chatting about this to CarlW who has been very helpful - my thanks to Carl.
I wrote a letter to the BASC CEO recently, to ask for confirmation that my application for membership to BASC would be accepted.
I did so in order that I could stand for Council to push forward an agenda to which very many are aligned, that is to seek a more aggressive approach in responding to threats to our sport and a marked change in attitude.
Despite having responded for the President when I wrote to him, the CEO advised I should re-join BASC and help them in that way.
It is obvious that in saying this the CEO had no expectation that I would be so strongly supported by so many and has thus failed, in a less than courteous way to respond to my latest letter. BASC monitor this site since responses to others indicate so.
I foresee that this lack of response is indicative of a negative response to concerns expressed here and there are other private indications that SD is regarded as being untypical of shooting sports in general - there is no mood for change. If there was would I have not received a reply at least ?
My personal life has become a little difficult lately and for that reason and for the reason that the views expressed here need to be heard at Council, I have decided it is best for me to defer to someone else who will be better received and have more chance than would I.
My response is very largely down to a lack of backup by the Chief Executive Officer, of his original response citing 'change from within'. For now I will give my support to whoever else wishes to stand for Council and encourage everyone to back them by rejoining.
Maybe its just the BASC site tonight but I cannot pass on the elements of the Constitution which allow restriction of Membership or provide for the dismissal of particular members - in any event, I am sure you can find them if you wish.
It is with great regret therefore I am standing down as 'the gangs' potential Council stalking horse as simply, in default of acceptance or response by the CEO, I will not give BASC the satisfaction of dismissing my membership for the purpose of standing for Council or having been elected, to be found 'unsuitable'.
I shall still be around but I advise you all to choose someone else quickly and ensure he has at least 300 votes - then change which we all wish to see, may, just may be forthcoming.
I apologise for letting you all down, even those who would not have voted but maybe have benefited from change.
This is not the end of my need to see change - I'll be back but not advertise it quite so widely.
Regards all
Kes
 
I suspect that the BASC CEO in some respects knows what he is talking about, albeit he expresses it in couched terms. The vast majority of field sports enthusiasts simply cannot be bothered to get into the politics of it. They do it for a hobby and personal enjoyment. I also suspect that the vast majority of shooters simply do it to meet like minded people and have a bit of sport with them and generally speaking will be game shooters ranging from posh driven shoots through to rough shooting and everything in between. Like it or not, stalkers come a very poor second in numbers to those who go out for a few weekends in the season with a shotgun.
 
I am really disappointed that we have lost Kes as our SD candidate, as I think that he would have made a fantastic impact on BASC. However, I fully understand his reasons for withdrawing.

As a side note, it has been a privilege to get to know Kes a little bit better over the past several months of deliberations: a more thoughtful, honourable and principled man you are unlikely to meet.

Looking to the future, I guess the question we now face is as follows: do we stalkers continue to drift away from BASC in ones, twos, fives, tens? Do we continue the 'BASC is a write-off' narrative? Or do we pick ourselves up and have another go at getting involved?

If the latter, then we need another candidate to represent us (and all serious shooters and country folk). I do not think that I am the right person as I tend to be pretty collaborative which is not what we need right now. We need someone who will relentlessly insist upon improvement in every single council meeting.

Reflections, suggestions, and nominations(!) invited.

Kind regards,

Carl
 
As an example of my concern this emerged recently (this morning) on one of my BASC searches - 'BASC constitution' it was not there last night.

"Candidates for election to BASC's Council have an obligation to act in the best interests of the Association, and in accordance with BASC's Constitution and ...

Note - "in the best interests of the Association" - not in the best interests of its members or of shooting sports in general. The association is apparently self- protectionist.
I am not surprised this has recently been put up.
I just hope this convinces more potential members that it is the body (BASC) which seeks to preserve itself, not the preservation of shooting sports.
Either that or someone has no understanding of the use of English.
 
I cannot read into that statement that they will throw anyone out who doesn't agree with them. Their stated aims are to represent the shooting community so in line with that as long as you are not anti-shooting, hunting etc. I cannot see a problem. It clearly says in accordance with their constitution. The only way you are going to change it is from within.
 
I have been chatting about this to CarlW who has been very helpful - my thanks to Carl.
I wrote a letter to the BASC CEO recently, to ask for confirmation that my application for membership to BASC would be accepted.
I did so in order that I could stand for Council to push forward an agenda to which very many are aligned, that is to seek a more aggressive approach in responding to threats to our sport and a marked change in attitude.
Despite having responded for the President when I wrote to him, the CEO advised I should re-join BASC and help them in that way.
Regards all
Kes
Why did you not simply submit an application to join BASC? I don't believe there is much of a vetting process and can't think why your application would be flagged and vetted.

The only reason not to do so would surely be if there is a de-minimus time frame for applying for a Council role following becoming a member wthin the BASC rules.
 
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Sorry you have stepped down but the big loser is going to be BASC. I was on a shoot a few weeks ago and was asking if anyone was a member of BASC and I couldn't believe that no one was still with BASC and they are all shooters. On asking why some of them had left I was told a range of problems they had with them.
 
Some documents in partial explanation of my mistrust.
I think they would have opened themselves up to even further malcontent from members if they had refused your membership application, irrespective of whether they have to provide justification or not. You are merely supposing that they would have refused your application, I don't think they would have.
 
I think they would have opened themselves up to even further malcontent from members if they had refused your membership application, irrespective of whether they have to provide justification or not. You are merely supposing that they would have refused your application, I don't think they would have.
In which case why not say so in advance in response to a personal letter ?
 
@kes . Tim is obliquely drawing your attention to the fact that we can read your home address.

Best get it deleted.

Kind regards,

Carl
Carl, I cant see how as I covered it up in the letter and there is no reference in the Basc Constitution - let me know will you and I'll get it sorted ?
 
Carl, I cant see how as I covered it up in the letter and there is no reference in the Basc Constitution - let me know will you and I'll get it sorted ?

Zoom in on the lined paper you used to cover your address in the letter from BASC. Your name and address are perfectly visible through the top sheet.
 
Thanks Carl I've messaged Sika Malc - I cant actually see it even with the zoom. Age probably !
 
In which case why not say so in advance in response to a personal letter ?
I believe he did just that in the final sentence.
You have to bear in mind that even if you did make it on to Council, if they are corrupt as some make out then they simply would outvote you on any proposal you put forward. You would, at most, just be a proverbial PITA to them, nothing more. One voice doesn't change entrenched thinking, it requires a collaberative journey to create change.
 
Zoom in on the lined paper you used to cover your address in the letter from BASC. Your name and address are perfectly visible through the top sheet.

Carl the devil is always in the detail.....

Here in Essex we have a saying...."It might look like a Mallard in the dark, It might fly like a Mallard, but when the dog brings it back it will be a Shell duck"...so always check be for you post pull the trigger.

Quack Quack

Tim.243
 
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