R Number In London

[User00025]

Did you use to collect Handkerchiefs for Fagan

That's a bit of anti semetism there. My former Mossad friend from the Spa may have to deal with you.

 

[Sika-Hunter]

My former Mossad friend may have to deal with you

 

[nun_hunter]

And the policeman arresting him was kneeling on his neck because Floyd was fueled up on methamphetamine. I'd have knelt on his neck too. I would hope not to have killed him but there's no way I'd have wanted him getting to his feet. If he had he'd probably have been shot.

There are much safer and easier ways to restrain someone, hands behind your back laying on your front is asking to die with positional asphyxia even if you're healthy. Add in the mix of drugs he was on (and would have been obvious) and you're then into excited delerium territory something all police officers and medical staff should be aware of.
Whilst that officer may not have intended to kill him he was at the mimimum reckless and at best would have had an educated guess as to what happens if you kneel on someone's throat.

If you are in a position to take someone's liberty and freedom and physically restrain then you have a duty of care to that person.

 

[Tazz]

I along with most rational people was appalled by the manner of GF’s death at the hands of white police officers and the officers involved should now be subject to the judicial system they are an integral part of. GF did not deserve to die as he did and I understand why folks in the states want to protest about the principle. What I don’t agree with is the protesters, the press and the four church services Serling to “Canonise” GF, this is a man convicted of drug dealing and armed aggregated robbery. My other point is that officially the CV19 guidelines are you can only meet with 5 other people outside, we all saw from the footage how flagrantly that was breached plus it forced the police officers in to the same confined space but out of duty rather than individual choice. I wonder if the Countryside Alliance, The Anti Hunt Brigade, Brexit, or a march to show solidarity with Hong Kong would have been sanctioned with similar expected numbers by Boris or the Mayor of London

 

[MW73]

There was a piece I read that the officer and Floyd may have known one another as allegedly George worked as a bouncer and the cop that has been charged with his murder worked security whilst off duty outside of a particular business.

I took it with a pinch of salt as quite a lot of false info has been flying around.

He was however allegedly high at the time of arrest as the store owner that phoned the police after refusing George Floyd service due to Floyd wanting to pay with counterfeit cash, stated so.

There were/are reports that as Floyd was arrested, a small bag containing white powder fell out of one of his pockets.

Ps.. Not all the police officers were white.

 

[MackayRSA]

As both a member of the BAME community and an NHS worker, I can see the frustration on both sides.

There is zero social distancing during what I have seen of this movement, awareness of covid seems to have gone out the window and I am sure there will be a sharp rise in cases. It does annoy me, it does make me angry and it does make me feel like the risk I put myself through as a BAME worker in one of the most risk heavy areas of the pandemic might have been for nothing.
Ignoring the guidance and potentially spreading this virus all over again is not the way to gain support among the public. In fact, it is shooting ourselves in the foot as it has been shown to affect BAME people at a greater proportion.

Equally, people saying things like why are we protesting here in England, police shootings basically don't happen here also annoy me. The shooting of George Floyd now stands as an icon for the racism and prejudice at all levels. When I lived in London, and was studying for a Masters in Chemistry we were never stopped by police and questioned when our group of friends comprised of mainly white students. We were never asked to disperse from gathering in public. We were never asked about drugs.
When our group was made up of mainly black students I can count 7 interactions with police over the course of 2 years in which we were told to move on and disperse, told members of the public had made complaints, asked about drug use. Things like this are what is sparking the Black Lives Matter movement here in the UK.

I'm not having a go at anyone here and this is not aimed at anyone. I just wanted to put my perspective out there. Things need to change in both areas.

 

[Freeforester]

How is anyone in government supposed to know that when by their own admission around 80% of C-19 cases are mild/asymptomatic and go unrecorded?

Isn't there some discussion too, as to whether up to 80% of the population aren't even vulnerable to infection, quite apart from those thus far being infected but turn out to be either asymptomatic or otherwise have been able to shrug it off relatively easily?



Either way, it'll be "St Floyd's" first post death miracle if the infection rate doesnt go up thanks to these 'compassionate, and in some ways considerate, if not actually 'thoughtful' types. As Bruce said, all will be revealed soon enough.

 

[Hornet 6]

If you are in a position to take someone's liberty and freedom and physically restrain then you have a duty of care to that person.

Had the bloke not been high on whatever, not threatened people, and not tried to use forged currency, and then topped it off by assaulting an armed police officer he would still be here today.
But he chose not to be sensible and paid the price.

Neil.

 

[User00035]

I along with most rational people was appalled by the manner of GF’s death at the hands of white police officers

Why flag up the policeman's colour? Is it an act of neo-colonialism for a white officer to arrest a black person? Would you be happier if Floyd had died at the hands of a black officer?

For the record there were four officers attending that incident. Two were white, one was of far eastern descent and the other was mixed race.

 

[Heym SR20]

Going back to the original question on R Numbers.

We have absolutely no clue as what the actual infection is or has been because there has been very little testing. The only meaningful is in hospitals and for key workers, both cohorts of the population where you would expect to find higher numbers. But in the general population no testing or meaningful tracing.

And given the potential variability in any result we could have in practice a very low rate with a wide portion of the population already exposed and with a level of immunity. Or we have a much higher number and on the verge of another out of control surge.

And from one end of the country to the other there is no apparent local intelligence on R either.

The UK governments are just running blind and making it up.

 

[Tazz]

Why flag up the policeman's colour? Is it an act of neo-colonialism for a white officer to arrest a black person? Would you be happier if Floyd had died at the hands of a black officer?

For the record there were four officers attending that incident. Two were white, one was of far eastern descent and the other was mixed race.

You quote my opening line but not the rest of my thread so you miss out both the context and what I think was a balenced comment on the GF incident. Yes I picked up on the white police officer as that’s both a fact and also the blue touch paper to light in America after a number of similar incidents involving white police officers and the black community What you didn’t comment on was my point that both the demonstrators and the press are trying to “Canonise” GF when he is a convicted drug dealer and armed robber

 

[User00035]

You quote my opening line but not the rest of my thread so you miss out both the context and what I think was a balenced comment on the GF incident. Yes I picked up on the white police officer as that’s both a fact and also the blue touch paper to light in America after a number of similar incidents involving white police officers and the black community What you didn’t comment on was my point that both the demonstrators and the press are trying to “Canonise” GF when he is a convicted drug dealer and armed robber

They try to canonise him because they're milking identity politics for purely partisan purposes. Like the left in this country who want to set the feet of "the working man" in cultural concrete and keep him needy and feeling "oppressed" and thereby electorally obedient, the Democrat establishment in the US similarly stoke black grievance and division between black and white so they can own the black vote. Instead of helping deprived blacks improve their lives they need them to stay trapped in a cycle of self-imposed racial feudalism so they can claim to champion these people and bank their vote.
Emphasising the skin colour of either Floyd or the officer plays this game. He wasn't arrested because he was black. He was arrested because he was a violent criminal committing an offence. And he didn't die because the arresting officer was a racist, he died because the officer mishandled the arrest.

 

[Tazz]

They try to canonise him because they're milking identity politics for purely partisan purposes. Like the left in this country who want to set the feet of "the working man" in cultural concrete and keep him needy and feeling "oppressed" and thereby electorally obedient, the Democrat establishment in the US similarly stoke black grievance and division between black and white so they can own the black vote. Instead of helping deprived blacks improve their lives they need them to stay trapped in a cycle of self-imposed racial feudalism so they can claim to champion these people and bank their vote.
Emphasising the skin colour of either Floyd or the officer plays this game. He wasn't arrested because he was black. He was arrested because he was a violent criminal committing an offence. And he didn't die because the arresting officer was a racist, he died because the officer mishandled the arrest.

Thanks for the lesson in US race/politics I will forever treasure it

 

[Freeforester]

Going back to the original question on R Numbers.

We have absolutely no clue as what the actual infection is or has been because there has been very little testing. The only meaningful is in hospitals and for key workers, both cohorts of the population where you would expect to find higher numbers. But in the general population no testing or meaningful tracing.

And given the potential variability in any result we could have in practice a very low rate with a wide portion of the population already exposed and with a level of immunity. Or we have a much higher number and on the verge of another out of control surge.

And from one end of the country to the other there is no apparent local intelligence on R either.

The UK governments are just running blind and making it up.

The figures must be collated daily from each health centre in the land, up to regional level, surely? Granular better than general, a scalpel is required rather than the blunt instrument currently deployed, and yet, how hard can it be just to publish the local figures at local levels, nobody is looking for addresses and phone numbers, just an indication of the local trend, assuming there is one at all, see Devon, Cornwall, Highland, Western Isles, etc.

 

[Odders]

So...


...how many extra deaths through an increase in coronavirus infection will these f'ing morons consider to be "a price worth paying"?
Oh; they're mostly young, so won't worry because it's not them doing the dying.
All over something that's f**kall to do with the UK.
Oh & all those involved in the criminal damage to a monument in Bristol need a damn' good kicking arrested, charged, convicted & jailed.
Wa*kers.

I'm sick of this sh*t.

 

[CarlW]

So...


...how many extra deaths through an increase in coronavirus infection will these f'ing morons consider to be "a price worth paying"?
Oh; they're mostly young, so won't worry because it's not them doing the dying.
All over something that's f**kall to do with the UK.
Oh & all those involved in the criminal damage to a monument in Bristol need a damn' good kicking arrested, charged, convicted & jailed.
Wa*kers.

I'm sick of this sh*t.

The problem I have is that these idiots (who in addition to the Bristol statue issue have also injured a couple of dozen police officers in London) are giving so much ammunition to the racists. This nonsense is creating division; not unity.

 

[dartmoordog]

The problem I have is that these idiots (who in addition to the Bristol statue issue have also injured a couple of dozen police officers in London) are giving so much ammunition to the racists. This nonsense is creating division; not unity.

Certainly is Carl, it is not long before the backlash comes......God help us!

 

[MW73]

And with the good ol totally impartial doing things such as this... Isn't helping the matter.

 

[kripton]

It is difficult to imagine a better way of polarizing the views of the majority of law abiding citizens and creating a wider divide than the way In which the protesters have acted. Totally agree with Finch's analysis of US race/politics

 

[dartmoordog]

Defacing the statue of, possibly, the greatest man in the history of these once great islands of ours, has done................Sorry I am bailing out, I am that angry, disgusted and disappointed. What have we become.