Firearm Moderator on eBay

[User00040]

Without being argumentative that's an interesting question ? Why not if you could convince said gunshop that it's for an air rifle where does it say you cannot purchase one (For an air rifle of course)??

One would hope that common sense prevails!

I realise that a .22RF rated moderator with a suitable thread would/could fit an air-rifle that has been screwcut, but someone trying to buy a .30cal rated suppressor with an M18 thread, saying it is for a .177 air-rifle?

Forget it.

Having used a .177 air-rifle with a 'supressor' (HW100) and taken it off, I don't recall seeing any of the carbon dust that is evident on the eBay ad, just saying...

@DM Firearms makes a good point too.

 

[ndt man]

I'm sure you will find dispite what common sense dictates that you will find no mention of not being able to fit (any moderator) to an air rifle.
Your gunshop may very well refuse to supply you with one and rightly so . ( But it's still not in the Firearms act) which sometimes dictates what we can & cannot do.
I'm prepared to stand corrected on this.

 

[Dickie]

SAK Rimfire/Air Weapon Sound Moderator Black-22 LR / 17 HMR / 22 WMR 1/2x28 UNEF Thread RIMFIRE - Premier Distributors

Low maintenance sound moderator for rim-fire or air weapons

www.cdsgltd.co.uk

 

[geordieh]

If you had a .25 air rifle you would need a .25 moderator so your only choice would be a centrefire mod as I have never seen a SAK or Parker Hale .25 mod.

 

[geordieh]

If you had a .25 air rifle you would need a .25 moderator so your only choice would be a centrefire mod as I have never seen a SAK or Parker Hale .25 mod.

 

[muddy42]

If it's sold from, and bought for an air rifle there's no issue. It's an absolutely idiotic state of affairs though. Why the hell the powers that be decided an open-ended tube is treated as a firearm will forever baffle me (no pun intended)

Agreed. Two years ago, a friend managed to travel through air traffic control with a T8 moderator in hand luggage. They took it out and asked him what it was for and he said its a metal tube, the beginnings of an engineering project. Quite what he would have done if they had refused carriage I do not know.

 

[BryanDC]

Our rules on moderators have just been simplified but at the same time made it more difficult to take one to Sweden.
We now don't need to get a separate permit for a moderator. If you have a permit for a rifle you can simply show that and buy a moderator to suit. But as they are still licensed in Sweden you have to show a permit to import it and that wont be possible in the future.

 

[Wapinschaw]

Agreed. Two years ago, a friend managed to travel through air traffic control with a T8 moderator in hand luggage. They took it out and asked him what it was for and he said its a metal tube, the beginnings of an engineering project. Quite what he would have done if they had refused carriage I do not know.

A bit off topic, but related to the above. Many years ago when working on a project at Sumburgh (Shetland) Airport I was walking back to the accommodation on a typical Shetland night of howling wind and rain, hands thrust deep into jacket pockets when I became aware of some items in my pocket. I had a handful of live .22 rounds left over from my last mainland bunny bashing outing. They had been in my pocket for several days and had passed undetected through security at Aberdeen Airport and I had boarded the charter flight to Sumburgh blissfully unaware of them. I would advise against that nowadays.

 

[Donkey Basher]

Friend of mine passed through security at Gatwick then flew to Oslo with 5 rounds of 5.56 ammo in his hand luggage a few years back - wasn't allowed to take his 330ml can of coke with him though!

 

[njc110381]

A bit off topic, but related to the above. Many years ago when working on a project at Sumburgh (Shetland) Airport I was walking back to the accommodation on a typical Shetland night of howling wind and rain, hands thrust deep into jacket pockets when I became aware of some items in my pocket. I had a handful of live .22 rounds left over from my last mainland bunny bashing outing. They had been in my pocket for several days and had passed undetected through security at Aberdeen Airport and I had boarded the charter flight to Sumburgh blissfully unaware of them. I would advise against that nowadays.

I made it from Gatwick to Calgary in Canada with live HMR ammo in my coat pocket about ten years ago. They picked up on it as I tried to board the transfer flight to Edmonton, along with my Victorinox swiss card in my wallet. The Canadian lady was less than impressed but luckily I had my .375H&H with me and the relevant documents for that. Pointed it out as a simple mistake as it was my hunting jacket and asked if they could confiscate them and call it done. She seemed ok with that which was a massive relief!

 

[Reebear]

l was at a car boot sale few years back, a guy there had a table with 20 or 30 sound moderators for sale some Parker Hale for 22s & several full bore, l challenged him re- law selling moderators without paperwork. his answer “l’m selling these for air gun use it’s up to you whether you put them on your rifle or motor bike“, So much for us who abide by the rules!!

 

[BryanDC]

l was at a car boot sale few years back, a guy there had a table with 20 or 30 sound moderators for sale some Parker Hale for 22s & several full bore, l challenged him re- law selling moderators without paperwork. his answer “l’m selling these for air gun use it’s up to you whether you put them on your rifle or motor bike“, So much for us who abide by the rules!!

But he is abiding by the rules. The law says he is allowed to sell a moderator for airgun use without the purchaser requiring a licence. It's the law that is daft. Either make them all of ticket or all on ticket. Simple.

 

[kenbro]

I’m surprised eBay haven’t pulled the ad.
I recently advertised this on eBay and they took the ad. down.
Said it contravened the rules on Firearms and associated stuff.
Ken.
Ps. If anyone here wants it, they can have it for cost of shipping.
Pps. Bought this for a Granddaughter and she said ‘It’s rubbish’. She was right.

 

[nun_hunter]

While I think the whole moderator licensing is farce I cant see how any moderator suitable for anything bigger than a 22lr can't be classed as a firearm. The firearms act states "any accessory designed or adapted to diminish the noise or flash caused by firing the weapon" (weapon being in this instance anything producing over one joule of energy). Therefore surely any moderator designed with the structural integrity to withstand the pressure from anything above an air rifle should be classed as a firearm in it's own right?

 

[User00040]

I’m surprised eBay haven’t pulled the ad.
I recently advertised this on eBay and they took the ad. down.
Said it contravened the rules on Firearms and associated stuff.
Ken.
Ps. If anyone here wants it, they can have it for cost of shipping.
Pps. Bought this for a Granddaughter and she said ‘It’s rubbish’. She was right.View attachment 168535

Your grand-daughter has good taste!

I wouldn't take an SA80 (real or airsoft) even if you paid me!

 

[finnbear270]

SA79&1/2 should be the title

 

[Dalua]

The firearms act states "any accessory designed or adapted to diminish the noise or flash caused by firing the weapon" (weapon being in this instance anything producing over one joule of energy). Therefore surely any moderator designed with the structural integrity to withstand the pressure from anything above an air rifle should be classed as a firearm in it's own right?

By that reckoning all mods should always be S1 items.

The Act actually says 'any accessory to any such weapon designed or adapted...', where 'any such weapon' refers to an S1 firearm. A lot of folk seem to think the wording has been decided on at random, but the literal interpretation of that makes sense - namely that a thing that is 'an accessory to' another thing is actually attached to it, rather than just something which could potentially be attached to it.
Does that make sense?

All airgun mods will work on most S1 airguns - yet they are not of themselves S1 items. A mod designed for a 9.3mm c/f rifle might be just the thing for a 9mm garden-gun - so if it were fitted to the S2 garden-gun it would very clearly in law not be a S1 item. How then could it be an S1 item before it were fitted to the garden-gun?
If I took the mod off my 9.3x64 rifle and fitted it to the garden-gun, what is the mod then? Well, it clearly changes from being an S1 item while it is attached to (i.e. an accessory to) the S1 rifle - but at what point? Attached to the garden-gun it is in law very clearly not a S1 item, as a sound-moderating accessory to a S2 firearm is clearly not subject to any control. It therefore seems bizarrre to imagine that once taken off the S1 rifle and lying by iteself on the bench it remains subject to S1 control, doesn't it? Bizarre that the S1-status inert steel baffle-tube should loose its S1 status by its being picked up off the bench being screwed onto a little shotgun?
Bizarre indeed! The only sensible explanation is that its S1 status is the result of its being 'an accessory to' a S1 firearm, and that a thing is only 'an accessory to' a S1 firearm is it is actually attached to it.

There are, I think, bits of case-law that have made a slight horlicks of this concept - but I think if push came to shove the above understanding of what is meant by 'an accessory to' is the only one that explains why all the owners of airgun mods in the country are not in unlawful possession of S1 items - and, indeed, why I am not in unlawful possession of too many .22LR mods myself - as all the mods, for S1 rifles and airguns, with 1/2"UNF threads will in fact fit the .22LR - yet I have only one such mod 'on ticket'. That works out because I can only make one mod 'an accessory to' my .22LR at any one time - and that mod is at that time the mod on my ticket for the .22LR.

 

[ndt man]

I'm sure you will find dispite what common sense dictates that you will find no mention of not being able to fit (any moderator) to an air rifle.
Your gunshop may very well refuse to supply you with one and rightly so . ( But it's still not in the Firearms act) which sometimes dictates what we can & cannot do.
I'm prepared to stand corrected on this.

How meny have ever read the fire Arms act ? Not to meny I bet. (Obviously you have dalua) maybe more firearm owners should?.

 

[rarms]

Weird though, the photos appear to illustrate powder residue. That is unless clean air and a small lead projectile lead to the kind of grey build up the photos illustrate?

Perhaps he used it on a Sec. 2 .22 shotgun. Then it would also not need to be recorded on a certificate.

 

[rarms]

The seller is clearly trying to skirt round the fact that it is a moderator.

Because bay does not allow moderators, but probably does allow muzzle brakes