Suspended gralloch.

Best you'd not be burdening yourself with too much gear to carry the rest of the time when out, then? Or perhaps change posture when you're gralloching, they tell me 'taking the knee' is popular these days in some circles?

Not to be funny, but if you're doing this for carcass hygiene purposes, then I don't think either the op illustrates this too well, nor K's #20 posed pic (- potential for piddling/dribbling pizzle into inner carcass, oh, and fab consequential 'scope rezeroing opportunity', possibly notwithstanding for much longer if one takes a step back to admire the work); I'm not knocking the concept, for sure the intent is laudable, but from what I've seen it seems to need a bit more work to be convincing of its merits for the added time needed (some are culling several per day at times) and the gear to be carried (and cleaned thereafter) to my mind. Happy to watch any demo vid or photo sequence suggested to better acquaint myself with the best practice form, though.

As I mentioned in my original post, I put up this post to foster debate and for wisdom.

Neither of which provided by your comments above.

If you would kindly remove that thing up your behind, and dispense the wisdom of your experience, I would be delighted to correct my mistakes.
 
Some of us have spent a long time at it Rm100 and some like to make newcomers feel small. You come out with us and get the Mickey taken, but it's all in the best of taste. M and I are happy to have you when we can so stuff those who try to belittle. Mind your fingers 😆.
 
As I mentioned in my original post, I put up this post to foster debate and for wisdom.

Neither of which provided by your comments above.

If you would kindly remove that thing up your behind, and dispense the wisdom of your experience, I would be delighted to correct my mistakes.
That's the debatable point, whether it is better to gralloch well on the ground, carrying little by way of encumbrances, or suspended with the necessary accessories to allow that, sorry if you can't see that or take it in the spirit of debate, but surely we all want the same thing, namely a clean carcass at the end of the job, how you go about it doesn't really matter providing the outcome is what you want.

And constructively suggested, maybe consider using your block & pulleys the other way round, as they appear from your pics to be set upside down, from my limited experience the pulling rope works best coming down from the topmost block.
 
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Boys toys for the stalkers playroom or vehicle as distinct from carting around the woods in a fanny pack.

For that I have a setup that fits in the palm of hand and relies upon cutting a hazel wand for the leg spreader once the beast is down. I will put a picture up when next I nail a good sized fallow as that is the real test for my dingy double blocks, shackles & paracord:
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Its also dishwasher proof.

Cheers

K
K - that's not disimilar to the kit I keep in the truck for when I am clearing up after knocking one or two over on the fields, one thing I have found really handy with this sort of set up is one of these:

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Coupled with the short scaffold pole fixed on a couple of cross bars on the back of the roof it comes in really handy for locking the line off without messing around with knots.
 
Nice setup and like all of us, you'll dial in over time what works for you, I'm sure you'll take a little of what everyone says on here and see what's ok and what is not. I used to gralloch on the ground but then as my sidekicks/sons discovered woman and I got older I had to adapt, as per attached, helps that I gralloch in the same location

My only other comment when posting publically is have the rifle bolt open, surprised nobody has mentioned that;)
 

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Boys toys for the stalkers playroom or vehicle as distinct from carting around the woods in a fanny pack.

For that I have a setup that fits in the palm of hand and relies upon cutting a hazel wand for the leg spreader once the beast is down. I will put a picture up when next I nail a good sized fallow as that is the real test for my dingy double blocks, shackles & paracord:
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Its also dishwasher proof.

Cheers

K
This looks good, can you please send me the details of the bits and bobs required? Also, do you have a picture of the whole thing in action, not necessarily with a deer, just to see the plan?
Thank you
 
Nice setup and like all of us, you'll dial in over time what works for you, I'm sure you'll take a little of what everyone says on here and see what's ok and what is not. I used to gralloch on the ground but then as my sidekicks/sons discovered woman and I got older I had to adapt, as per attached, helps that I gralloch in the same location

My only other comment when posting publically is have the rifle bolt open, surprised nobody has mentioned that;)
I realised that later, was wondering when someone would mention that!
 
Hi RM100.
I use a similar set up for fallow in sussex except I do use carabiners as much safer than S hooks and light as a feather plus a folding gambrel . BUT ..you may find it quicker and easier to do the gralloch cut followed by the chest saw (after cutting the skin with your knife ) and then hanging up. If you're pulling rope is at the top then you can pull down with one hand and push the gambrel up with other and hey presto a few cuts and your done ....oh and yes I use a white webbing strap that comes with timber framed buildings for safe lifting .Supposed to be single use but fine for us .
Hope this helps ....C
 
This looks good, can you please send me the details of the bits and bobs required? Also, do you have a picture of the whole thing in action, not necessarily with a deer, just to see the plan?
Thank you
Hi

Best wait until I put a picture up of a suspended beast as it will make more sense. You will however need the following, the cost of which may put you off:

1. Fifteen Mtr of High Quality Paracord
U.S. Made 550 Plain Paracord 15 metres
2. 10mm SS Shackles
RS PRO D-Shackle, Stainless Steel, 120kg | RS Components
3. Two Tech Python Clips
Tec Accessories Python Clip
4. Two Allen Micro SS Double Blocks
Allen Micro Block Double Stainless Steel | Marine Super Store
5. A means of crimping paracord if you don't wish to use bulky and untidy looking knots

K
 
Apologies in advance for the essay, I know it wasn’t the initial focus of the post, but as the conversation had evolved I thought I’d add my own perspective on the merits of suspended gralloch vs gralloch on the ground. (For what it’s worth!)

When I very first started stalking I was taught by an experienced chap of the ‘old school’ variety. His gralloching kit comprised of a folding knife and nothing else. Granted he could gralloch a deer very quickly, always on the ground, sans gloves, and he was of the attitude that ‘it’s so rare to find anything abnormal in a deer that gloves are redundant, this is how it’s been done forever and it ought to stay that way’. Fair enough, I thought, and who am I to question someone who’s been doing it forever?

After I’d reached a point where I was left on my own on these stalking outings, I ended up shooting and gralloching a buck which had TB. By this point I’d already started to question whether I could be doing things in a way that was more hygienic all round, even something as simple as wearing gloves, but this moment was the catalyst for me really deciding that there must be a more hygienic way of doing things from both a carcass handling & food hygiene point of view.

Fast forward to now, and I’m a firm believer that suspended gralloching is preferable from a hygiene perspective, and not *too* much slower than doing a full gralloch on the ground - depending on your individual circumstances, technique and kit. With that said, I tend to prefer having the luxury of time when doing a suspended gralloch, and I do tend to limit it to carcasses that are on the more manageable side, such as Roe, Muntjac and smaller Fallow. I use heavy duty wide S hooks, occasionally with the aid of a ‘Tree Hugger’ but much more often I will be able to find a sturdy enough branch to hang them on, which has the benefit of being able to walk fully around the carcass.

Obviously it comes at the cost of carrying extra kit, but I manage to condense everything I use into a 5l Swedteam backpack. This encompasses various tools that are all rolled up into a knife roll, a head torch, disposable gloves, food safe disinfectant wipes and a large freezer bag which I put dirty gloves/wipes in. It also includes a decathlon game bag which works well as a roe sack, and the weight - for me at least, is a long way from being over-encumbering.

If I have the kit with me, and the circumstances are right to do a suspended gralloch, then I will. However, if it’s at last knockings, or I’ve shot multiple animals, or have been culling beasts of the larger species, I will more likely do a green gralloch in the field and complete the rest back at the larder. I shoot between 60-80 deer a year, (a lot by some standards, and hardly anything by others), and this approach allows me the best of both worlds depending on what I’m doing. If I were only culling reds on the hill, then I’d likely have a different approach - maybe stick with taking a few pairs of gloves and a couple of knives, but my own circumstances vary enough that I like to have all options available.

OP - Your gralloch looks tidy enough from what I can see in the pictures, and you’re clearly approaching things from the right way by seeking out advice and suggestions. This will add a lot of strings to your bow as you become more experienced.

In general, if I could offer one piece of advice to a more inexperienced stalker, it would be to not get into a mindset that there is only one way to do things. When I started I thought there must be that ‘ultimate/perfect’ way of doing things every time, which I’d surely stumble across as I got more experienced, but the reality is that, over time, I’ve taken many different things from the different people I’ve stalked with, and now have a much more flexible and balanced approach that works for me. Never think you know it all, as this closes your mind to things you could learn and benefit from. Yes, there might be methods that are preferable from certain perspectives, but it isn’t always realistic to use the ‘ideal’ method.

Do what works for you, be open to advice, be selective in the bits you choose to implement into your own technique, and you’ll end up having an approach that works for you for every eventually.

5pointer.
 
In general, if I could offer one piece of advice to a more inexperienced stalker, it would be to not get into a mindset that there is only one way to do things.

Never a truer word spoken.

And tailor your kit for the intended quarry. For the smaller deer it can be as simple as a knife, plastic bags for the yummy softer bits, some form of hygienic wash up, and a larger bag/sack for field transportation.

When you’re dealing with the bigger boys (and girls) you’ll need to have more serious handling kit if you want to avoid injury etc. I’m invariably stalking single handed nowadays - and can only blame myself if it goes wrong - so I’ll take advantage of any mechanical aid available, be it a quad, winch, truck, etc. to deal with 100kg plus carcasses. You’ve only one back, look after it!

It’s often said; but the real work only starts after you’ve squeezed the trigger:

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Another vote for the Napier auto lift makes things easy for single handed operations
For bigger animals just need to suspend it a little higher
I have used the tree hugger but it’s nicer to be able to walk around the animal
If doing larger deer use a strong S hook to suspend the auto lift
Have looked at the kit that attached to the vehicle ball hitch but you can normally find an obliging tree
 
Yep, when I go out with more experienced stalkers, I am amazed at how little they seem to take with then (compared with all the clobber I am carrying). And generally, it seems to be just one knife.

I have a good friend who takes minimalism to a whole new level, he doesn't even carry a knife. He says that if he shoots anything he just has to go back to the car to get whatever he needs. Just as well that he never stalks more than 100 yards from his car. I really like the guy but his way I find rather odd to accept. :cuckoo:
 
As i said before, the Napier Apex auto lift is brilliant, single handed operated , after the job is done i'm just dropping the carcass straight in the trailer...

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As i said before, the Napier Apex auto lift is brilliant, single handed operated , after the job is done i'm just dropping the carcass straight in the trailer...

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Isn't the autolift just a glorified ratchetstrap? Do you have to part lift as you are ratcheting? If the load is too heavy you wouldn't lift it without some form of mechanical advantage or extra bods.
 
Isn't the autolift just a glorified ratchetstrap? Do you have to part lift as you are ratcheting? If the load is too heavy you wouldn't lift it without some form of mechanical advantage or extra bods.

It works on a similar priciple , but you don't need to part lift . Is rated 200kg and never had a problem not even with the heaviest bucks.
 
I vary between ground and suspended gralloch, especially for muntjac (easy to hang

I did a suspended gralloch, off a tree-trunk, this morning, and I present some pictures.

Please do come forth with suggestions and constructive criticism. Being a relative novice, I live to learn.

The set-up: dog lead round tree-trunk, pulley and heave-no.

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The deer in question, obligatory with rifle:

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Progress:
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I didn’t manage to get it higher, but it was enough, said my back:View attachment 175800View attachment 175800

In the tray:
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I feel, I ought to get the deer a bit higher up. The black bag is for the gralloch (we are supposed to remove it)

Suggestions for further improvement are gratefully received.

Many thanks.
All good, except that you have your block and tackle upside down. The free end of the rope that you pull on should be running over a sheave on the top block. Next time, fix it up the other way around and you'll be wondering how you managed to get it wrong the first time!
 
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