Active ear defenders - Cens alternatives?

Bestman

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Big cans are perfect for clays, but for stalking and walked up I thought I'd try 'in ear' active ear defenders, however I'm thoroughly fed up with my Cens Pro Flex ear defenders.

Despite spending a small fortune on them in 2015, I've never got on really well with them - Fiddly, no proper on /off switch etc.

I had them brought back to life last year for £80, and the left ear was never right.

Now they want another £80 to put that right - and when I groaned - was told I should expect to service them annually!

Surely things have moved on, and there are now better options; has anybody got any recommendations? Peltor?
 
Problem with in ear versus over ear muffs is that they never reduce the actual sound as well. Over ear protects the whole ear canal as well as the area around it. Plus with in ear they are trying to cram all the same “tech” in to a tiny product, they do look neater but have a number of downsides
 
Will probably go for headset style if there isn't an improvement on the Cens out there.

Definitely don't rate them highly enough to fork out for an annual service.
 
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Problem with in ear versus over ear muffs is that they never reduce the actual sound as well. Over ear protects the whole ear canal as well as the area around it. Plus with in ear they are trying to cram all the same “tech” in to a tiny product, they do look neater but have a number of downsides
This is untrue, over ear only offers a bone conduction advantage in the case of very low frequency at the most extreme sound pressure levels so very large artillery or perhaps inside a tank.
 
I have had a pair of Peltor LEP200s for 19 months. Superb performance and quite handy too: they come with an elasticated lanyard that I pass through a collar button hole. The LEP200s thus travel in my top pocket until deployed. Once in my ears they are comfortable and can remain there all day, or I can remove from my ears in the knowledge they are then dangling somewhere near my binos if I need them again.

Every two hours they auto shut down to save battery. You get an audio warning before that and can override with one touch of the button. A single charge lasts longer than any stalk I have done.[6hr+]

If I had a choice over, I would not have bought the bluetooth capable version. I never intended to use that function, but the bundled bluetooth option means that if your button push dwell time isn't spot on, the menu takes you to the bluetooth options rather than volume control.
 
I finally treated myself to some in ear electronic ear protection a couple of months ago.

There were a couple of recommendations for Peltor EEP-100

They don’t have a battery in the charging box like the LEP or TEP series.

However the electronics are exactly the same. They last 16 hours on a single charge. If you are away and need to charge them you can use a cheap usb power bank.

The colour is a bit garish but for the saving over the LEP and TEP it’s worth it.
 
I've tried stalking in the CENS, at a level to hear birdsong, it amplifies your own movements/wind noise and is a bit distracting. I almost feel a passive in ear would be as useful. Having spent the cash, I'll perservear
 
Peltor LEP-100’s.... bloody brilliant with a cens mino tip on the end

More info and links in here.....(amongst others)...


I charged mine ready for the season the other week and there’s been no degradation of the mino tips since they were put away at the beginning of March.

cheers

fizz
 
My cens have also gone wrong and was considering changimg them to a pair of ”Vario hearables” as they can be, to a greater or less extent, mapped to your audiogram but this is as far as I got with them

 
I have been using the 3M Peltor LEP-100s for range sessions and stalking since December 2017 and they have been great. If and when they pack up I would go for the EEP-100s because I have never used the mobile re-charging facility of the LEP's carry case. 3M claim 16 hours between charges which proved accurate with mine.

The advantage of the rechargeable Li-ion over fiddly air batteries which flatten whether they are used or not, is ideal for our occasional purposes, where unlike hearing aids we are not wearing them all day every day. Though I have had an experience of wearing the LEPs for 8 days at 12 hours on the trot and they charged up over night with no problem.

Plus with in ear they are trying to cram all the same “tech” in to a tiny product,
Electronic miniaturisation has been the order of the day for a good while I think, nothing to fear as far as robustness or longevity goes...in fact most likely the opposite, no vibration problems or dry joints on the circuit board if everything is printed in one lump of silicon.

... they do look neater but have a number of downsides

It is not just their looks, they are actually neater. Try wearing a brimmed hat with muffs! I really notice the difference in cumbersomeness(?) hitting the stock when I had to double up with muffs if somebody turned up at the tunnel range with a Muzzle Brake...but I am curious as to what you consider are the number of downsides?

I have been using passive foam and flanged plugs in the forge for 40 years because of their comfort, convenience and effectiveness..."looking neater" didn't come into it at all. They simply have a higher SNR protection rating than even the double-depth over-ear muffs.

The downsides of over ear muffs apart from their reduced protection, are their bulk, weight, and clamminess if using for any length of time...the only advantage of them I find are as ear warmers on a cold day.

Problem with in ear versus over ear muffs is that they never reduce the actual sound as well. Over ear protects the whole ear canal as well as the area around it.

As @caorach says this is a supposition not based on fact. Even the CENS fitted type manage SNR 25dB which is on a par with the Howard Leight style of active over ear muffs. Their foam plug tipped CENS Minos do better (double the protection) at SNR 31dB

The LEP and EEP-100s are even better than the CENS Minos and achieve SNR 32dB - 38dB depending on the tips used, 35dB with the foam tips I favour.

Sound pressure doubles every 6dB and perceived volume doubles at 10dB.



I have posted these articles/ links before...the gist being that the bone and soft tissue transmission which bypasses the hearing protection device has been found to be reduced better by deep fitting foam plugs than muffs.

In order to damage the hearing I gather the bone and tissue transmit the vibration to the ear canal walls which in turn pass it on to the cochlea.

The foam plugs dampen those ear canal wall vibrations...the muffs do not.

The only way to prevent skull bone transmission would be to enclose your head in a Space or Divers helmet! I think that is one of the reasons tank and helicopter crews wear them.

Alan


Has to do with shooting guns but still applies: Hearing Loss Through Bone Conduction Elliott H. Berger Hearing Conservation/NIHL 522

If a patient wears earmuffs in combination with custom made earplugs, can you still get hearing loss through bone conduction (through the skull) when shooting a variety of guns? What is the rate of attenuation from external noise to the cochlea through bone conduction?

Answer
The limits to the attenuation for a perfectly attenuating hearing protector, that are imposed by the flanking bone-conduction pathways, vary from about 40 - 60 dB across frequency. This means that even if a hearing protector could block all of the sound entering the earcanal, that sound attenuated by 40 to 60 dB would still get though to the cochlea, and like the sound transmitted via the air-conduction pathway, this energy can cause hearing loss. However, in all but the most extreme environments, this will be sufficient protection. For all but the most susceptible ears and all but the most extreme amounts of gunfire, noise reduction that equals the attenuation imposed by the bone-conduction limits should be quite sufficient. The much larger issue is making sure that the shooter is properly wearing the single or double hearing protection devices to get the maximum protection they can provide






Soft Tissue Conduction as a Possible Contributor to the Limited Attenuation Provided by Hearing Protection Devices
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Soft tissue conduction as a possible contributor to the limited attenuation provided by hearing protection devices - PubMed

Results do not support the notion that skull vibrations (BC) contributed to the limited attenuation provided by traditional HPDs. An alternative explanation, supported by experimental evidence, suggests transmission of sound to inner ear via non-osseous pathways such as skin, soft tissues, and...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Abstract
CONTEXT:
Damage to the auditory system by loud sounds can be avoided by hearing protection devices (HPDs) such as earmuffs, earplugs, or both for maximum attenuation. However, the attenuation can be limited by air conduction (AC) leakage around the earplugs and earmuffs by the occlusion effect (OE) and by skull vibrations initiating bone conduction (BC).
AIMS:
To assess maximum attenuation by HPDs and possible flanking pathways to the inner ear.
SUBJECTS AND METHODS:
AC attenuation and resulting thresholds were assessed using the real ear attenuation at threshold (REAT) procedure on 15 normal-hearing participants in four free-field conditions: (a) unprotected ears, (b) ears covered with earmuffs, (c) ears blocked with deeply inserted customized earplugs, and (d) ears blocked with both earplugs and earmuffs. BC thresholds were assessed with and without earplugs to assess the OE.
RESULTS:
Addition of earmuffs to earplugs did not cause significantly greater attenuation than earplugs alone, confirming minimal AC leakage through the external meatus and the absence of the OE. Maximum REATs ranged between 40 and 46 dB, leading to thresholds of 46-54 dB HL. Furthermore, calculation of the acoustic impedance mismatch between air and bone predicted at least 60 dB attenuation of BC.
CONCLUSION:
Results do not support the notion that skull vibrations (BC) contributed to the limited attenuation provided by traditional HPDs. An alternative explanation, supported by experimental evidence, suggests transmission of sound to inner ear via non-osseous pathways such as skin, soft tissues, and fluid. Because the acoustic impedance mismatch between air and soft tissues is smaller than that between air and bone, air-borne sounds would be transmitted to soft tissues more effectively than to bone, and therefore less attenuation is expected through soft tissue sound conduction. This can contribute to the limited attenuation provided by traditional HPDs. The present study has practical implications for hearing conservation protocols.



www.researchgate.net

(PDF) Measurements of bone-conducted impulse noise from weapons using a head simulator

PDF | High-intensity impulse sounds are generally considered to be more damaging than continuous sounds, so understanding the attenuation performance of... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
www.researchgate.net
www.researchgate.net

www.researchgate.net

(PDF) The reduction of gunshot noise and auditory risk through the use of firearm suppressors and low-velocity ammunition

PDF | Objective: This research assessed the reduction of peak levels, equivalent energy and sound power of firearm suppressors. Design: The first... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
www.researchgate.net
www.researchgate.net
 
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I have been using the 3M Peltor LEP-100s for range sessions and stalking since December 2017 and they have been great. If and when they pack up I would go for the EEP-100s because I have never used the mobile re-charging facility of the LEP's carry case. 3M claim 16 hours between charges which proved accurate with mine.

The advantage of the rechargeable Li-ion over fiddly air batteries which flatten whether they are used or not, is ideal for our occasional purposes, where unlike hearing aids we are not wearing them all day every day. Though I have had an experience of wearing the LEPs for 8 days at 12 hours on the trot and they charged up over night with no problem.


Miniaturisation has been the order of the day for a good while I think



It is not just their looks, they are actually neater. Try wearing a brimmed hat with muffs! I really notice the difference in cumbersomeness(?) hitting the stock when I had to double up with muffs if somebody turned up at the tunnel range with a Muzzle Brake...but I am curious as to what you consider are the number of downsides?

I have been using passive foam and flanged plugs in the forge for 40 years because of their comfort, convenience and effectiveness..."looking neater" didn't come into it at all. They simply have a higher SNR protection rating than even the double-depth over-ear muffs.

The downsides of over ear muffs apart from their reduced protection, are their bulk, weight, and clamminess if using for any length of time...the only advantage of them I find are as ear warmers on a cold day.



As @caorach says this is a supposition not based on fact. Even the CENS fitted type manage SNR 25dB which is on a par with the Howard Leight style of active over ear muffs. Their foam plug tipped CENS Minos do better (double the protection) at SNR 31dB

The LEP and EEP-100s are even better than the CENS Minos and achieve SNR 32dB - 38dB depending on the tips used, 35dB with the foam tips I favour.

Sound pressure doubles every 6dB and perceived volume doubles at 10dB.



I have posted these articles/ links before...the gist being that the bone and soft tissue transmission which bypasses the hearing protection device has been found to be reduced better by deep fitting foam plugs than muffs.

In order to damage the hearing I gather the bone and tissue transmit the vibration to the ear canal walls which in turn pass it on to the cochlea.

The foam plugs dampen those ear canal wall vibrations...the muffs do not.

The only way to prevent skull bone transmission would be to enclose your head in a Space or Divers helmet! I think that is one of the reasons tank and helicopter crews wear them.

Alan


Has to do with shooting guns but still applies: Hearing Loss Through Bone Conduction Elliott H. Berger Hearing Conservation/NIHL 522

If a patient wears earmuffs in combination with custom made earplugs, can you still get hearing loss through bone conduction (through the skull) when shooting a variety of guns? What is the rate of attenuation from external noise to the cochlea through bone conduction?

Answer
The limits to the attenuation for a perfectly attenuating hearing protector, that are imposed by the flanking bone-conduction pathways, vary from about 40 - 60 dB across frequency. This means that even if a hearing protector could block all of the sound entering the earcanal, that sound attenuated by 40 to 60 dB would still get though to the cochlea, and like the sound transmitted via the air-conduction pathway, this energy can cause hearing loss. However, in all but the most extreme environments, this will be sufficient protection. For all but the most susceptible ears and all but the most extreme amounts of gunfire, noise reduction that equals the attenuation imposed by the bone-conduction limits should be quite sufficient. The much larger issue is making sure that the shooter is properly wearing the single or double hearing protection devices to get the maximum protection they can provide






Soft Tissue Conduction as a Possible Contributor to the Limited Attenuation Provided by Hearing Protection Devices
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Soft tissue conduction as a possible contributor to the limited attenuation provided by hearing protection devices - PubMed

Results do not support the notion that skull vibrations (BC) contributed to the limited attenuation provided by traditional HPDs. An alternative explanation, supported by experimental evidence, suggests transmission of sound to inner ear via non-osseous pathways such as skin, soft tissues, and...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Abstract
CONTEXT:
Damage to the auditory system by loud sounds can be avoided by hearing protection devices (HPDs) such as earmuffs, earplugs, or both for maximum attenuation. However, the attenuation can be limited by air conduction (AC) leakage around the earplugs and earmuffs by the occlusion effect (OE) and by skull vibrations initiating bone conduction (BC).
AIMS:
To assess maximum attenuation by HPDs and possible flanking pathways to the inner ear.
SUBJECTS AND METHODS:
AC attenuation and resulting thresholds were assessed using the real ear attenuation at threshold (REAT) procedure on 15 normal-hearing participants in four free-field conditions: (a) unprotected ears, (b) ears covered with earmuffs, (c) ears blocked with deeply inserted customized earplugs, and (d) ears blocked with both earplugs and earmuffs. BC thresholds were assessed with and without earplugs to assess the OE.
RESULTS:
Addition of earmuffs to earplugs did not cause significantly greater attenuation than earplugs alone, confirming minimal AC leakage through the external meatus and the absence of the OE. Maximum REATs ranged between 40 and 46 dB, leading to thresholds of 46-54 dB HL. Furthermore, calculation of the acoustic impedance mismatch between air and bone predicted at least 60 dB attenuation of BC.
CONCLUSION:
Results do not support the notion that skull vibrations (BC) contributed to the limited attenuation provided by traditional HPDs. An alternative explanation, supported by experimental evidence, suggests transmission of sound to inner ear via non-osseous pathways such as skin, soft tissues, and fluid. Because the acoustic impedance mismatch between air and soft tissues is smaller than that between air and bone, air-borne sounds would be transmitted to soft tissues more effectively than to bone, and therefore less attenuation is expected through soft tissue sound conduction. This can contribute to the limited attenuation provided by traditional HPDs. The present study has practical implications for hearing conservation protocols.



www.researchgate.net

(PDF) Measurements of bone-conducted impulse noise from weapons using a head simulator

PDF | High-intensity impulse sounds are generally considered to be more damaging than continuous sounds, so understanding the attenuation performance of... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
www.researchgate.net
www.researchgate.net

www.researchgate.net

(PDF) The reduction of gunshot noise and auditory risk through the use of firearm suppressors and low-velocity ammunition

PDF | Objective: This research assessed the reduction of peak levels, equivalent energy and sound power of firearm suppressors. Design: The first... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
www.researchgate.net
www.researchgate.net
Bit more detail please.

K
 
Does anyone have any recommendations for where to purchase the EEP-100’s
I finally treated myself to some in ear electronic ear protection a couple of months ago.

There were a couple of recommendations for Peltor EEP-100

They don’t have a battery in the charging box like the LEP or TEP series.

However the electronics are exactly the same. They last 16 hours on a single charge. If you are away and need to charge them you can use a cheap usb power bank.

The colour is a bit garish but for the saving over the LEP and TEP it’s worth it.
Earshotcommunications also do them and have been consistently lower priced than anywhere else for the LEP versions.


Alan
 
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