Waz77
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You been watching too many YouTube reveals. Do you film yourself opening every parcel the postman delivers and post it on there?How the **** would they know something was wrapped In there it's just a lump of lead?
Guardian - Golden Eagle Tag found near Grousemoor - who are these idiots ?
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You been watching too many YouTube reveals. Do you film yourself opening every parcel the postman delivers and post it on there?How the **** would they know something was wrapped In there it's just a lump of lead?
I wouldn't. Only reason to do that is because you plan to distribute the recording.
Firstly, the finder, if genuine, didn't know there was anything inside the lead. It's weird enough that he fished it out of the river. It's no more worthy of recording than opening a parcel or taking a dump.
Freeforester
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Has anyone raided Elvis's bothy, to see whether the bird is there? I hear there's a hole in the roof where a square of the lead flashing is missing?? Has he been buying extra sausages from the butchers of late (in full Vegas gear, natch)?
To paraphrase Conan Doyle, when all other evidence and circumstances have been weighed and discounted, then the conclusion that remains MUST be the explanation, no matter how fantastic it may seem. Now pass me my slippers and briar, Watson....
To paraphrase Conan Doyle, when all other evidence and circumstances have been weighed and discounted, then the conclusion that remains MUST be the explanation, no matter how fantastic it may seem. Now pass me my slippers and briar, Watson....
Rake Aboot
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Lots of head burying going on here.
And finding somit wrapped in lead in a river is just a wee bit different from getting a parcel through the door.
But whatever. The idiots will ruin it for us all eventually.
And finding somit wrapped in lead in a river is just a wee bit different from getting a parcel through the door.
But whatever. The idiots will ruin it for us all eventually.
Rake Aboot
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What are you on about ?
And don't be accusing folk of defending antis. I know you can't read but try and keep up with what is actually being said.
And don't be accusing folk of defending antis. I know you can't read but try and keep up with what is actually being said.
Rake Aboot
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Aye whatever.
Making accusations like ? Spit it out man don't be scared. Lets see your true colours.
Making accusations like ? Spit it out man don't be scared. Lets see your true colours.
I posted a link to a prosecution of an anti who fabricated video evidence of fox hunting - anti's will often do anything to pursue their strange agendas.
Equally, the lead wrapping could be seen as an attempt to restrict a tagging signal, since lead is used for screening nuclear reactors, if not in shot these days. How would you make anyone look like they were trying to conceal the evidence - lead is handy for some things.
It is abundantly clear that there can be no 'truth' in speculation - which is why forensic, impartial, unimpeachable evidence is needed to prosecute whoever is responsible.
Equally, the lead wrapping could be seen as an attempt to restrict a tagging signal, since lead is used for screening nuclear reactors, if not in shot these days. How would you make anyone look like they were trying to conceal the evidence - lead is handy for some things.
It is abundantly clear that there can be no 'truth' in speculation - which is why forensic, impartial, unimpeachable evidence is needed to prosecute whoever is responsible.
Rake Aboot
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I agree, but the fact that some are so dead set against the idea that keepers do this kind of thing is naïve .
The vast majority do not, we all know that , but some will, and do and don't care what effect it has on the rest of us.
Folk like that idiot above don't help.
The vast majority do not, we all know that , but some will, and do and don't care what effect it has on the rest of us.
Folk like that idiot above don't help.
It’s sad to see that many on here are more concerned in promoting the conspiracy theory than enlightening their lack of knowledge on the subject. This tact only avoids acknowledging the problem which makes finding a solution harder if not impossible. Just as you will probably never change the habits of the perpetrators, don’t waste your time arguing with the flat earthers.
Waz77
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No ones denying it has and does still happen occasionally, the question is whether this story is real or set up. What do you think of the link I put up about the hare? Do you think that's genuine. And if you'd seen a bit of old lead on the river bed do you think you'd have been so intrigued that you'd fish it out of the water and take a pic, not knowing that there was anything in there, then unwrap it to take a pic of the contents that you didn't know were there, and then have the gumption to pass it on to wild justice, because just being a casual walker you would have instantly recognised it as a golden Eagle tracker
Rake Aboot
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sorry I was agreeing with you and commenting on those inspector clueless individuals that are spending too much time Trying to unpick and cast suspicions on pieces of lead, and not confronting the elephant in the room.
Rake Aboot
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My mistake sorry. I just can't believe some are ignoring it to the point that one (rather not clever) poster is accusing me of supporting anti fieldsports activists. Not that he'll repeat it of course, he has form for it and tends to make stuff up in the hope it makes him look like he knows what he's on about.
countrryboy
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But who the f**,k would even bother dragging some scrap lead out a river in the 1st place.
U could not write a more far fetched plot if u tried.
Nothing about it makes any sense other for stoking publicity.
Is there really any point in this thread continuing?? Just giving them more publicity for a fictional incident.
Bad enough when those lying scumbags giving it air.
Like I said in my 1st post always depressed me how many shooters are keen to believe the worst and slag a whole sport ( usually grouse shooting) yet most have never set foot on a grouse moor and know f**k all about it apart from all keepers are guilty.
And u wonder why shooting is on a shoogily peg???
Ps was speaking to a lad about this who works with lead and seemingly it's 1 of the best surfaces for taking fingerprints off.
U could not write a more far fetched plot if u tried.
Nothing about it makes any sense other for stoking publicity.
Is there really any point in this thread continuing?? Just giving them more publicity for a fictional incident.
Bad enough when those lying scumbags giving it air.
Like I said in my 1st post always depressed me how many shooters are keen to believe the worst and slag a whole sport ( usually grouse shooting) yet most have never set foot on a grouse moor and know f**k all about it apart from all keepers are guilty.
And u wonder why shooting is on a shoogily peg???
Ps was speaking to a lad about this who works with lead and seemingly it's 1 of the best surfaces for taking fingerprints off.
Rake Aboot
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If you spotted a folded up piece of lead lying in a remote burn would you take it out and have a look.?
I suspect you would, as would most folk.
As for the rest, most shooters are not blindly believing the worst and slagging off shooting !( ??wtf ) and I suspect most have a clue about grouse shooting as well, but burying your head in the sand and blaming other shooters for not blindly denying it goes on will never help.
If shooting is on a shoogly peg, it's the fault of folk who do things that bring scorn on shooting.
Irish Bob
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You have to be seriously deluded not to recognise that there is a problem with raptor persecution in the UK.
It is about time that the shooting community shopped the tiny minority involved in this and other illegal practices.
The current situation is analogous to 10000 people sitting in a boat in the middle of a shark infested ocean watching one idiot drilling a large hole in the bottom of it. Not only that, some are even denying that he is drilling the said hole at all.
It is about time that the shooting community shopped the tiny minority involved in this and other illegal practices.
The current situation is analogous to 10000 people sitting in a boat in the middle of a shark infested ocean watching one idiot drilling a large hole in the bottom of it. Not only that, some are even denying that he is drilling the said hole at all.
Freeforester
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Just ask the suspect; if he/she says 'I can't remember' then it seems it's 'case closed', so why pursue?
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Nicola Sturgeon 'forgot' about meeting with Alex Salmond aide
The first minister's evidence to an inquiry into her government's handling of complaints against Mr Salmond is published.
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Without any degree of delusion, the following applies:
1. There are very wide discrepancies between what antis claim and what the facts, so far as they can be established, are.
2. It is not unknown for antis to fabricate evidence. A recent example resulting in the anti concerned being convicted of it, and his sympathisers attacking the home of a police officer involved in the case. This means that it is not safe to uncritically accept the premise of the antis argument.
3. Yes, the shooting community must continue taking the strongest possible steps against this. However, it is never possible to completely stamp out a tiny minority of people committing a crime. There is almost no example of any crime where such an outcome has been achieved or even considered realistic.
4. Yes, killing raptors is criminal and a deeply-damaging own goal if and when it is carried out by keepers.
5. In this case, there is no definite evidence establishing that an eagle has been killed.
6. This story has a number of spurious aspects, and the narrative put forward by, inter alia, the RSPB is sheer lunacy.
If, on the other hand, one wishes to accept uncritically the claims being made by extremists, then that's deluded.
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