Guardian - Golden Eagle Tag found near Grousemoor - who are these idiots ?

[countrryboy]

Willie, seemingly the bats aren't actually hit by the turbines, it's the air pressure/ vaccum/turbulence caused by the turbines that does the bats.
It does something internally to the bats and they just seem to die.
Meant to be quite high death rates

 

[Freeforester]

The pressure pulse from the force of the rotating blades bursts their lungs, I'm told.

 

[countrryboy]

The pressure pulse from the force of the rotating blades bursts their lungs, I'm told.

Aye that will be wot I was trying to say, badly.
Cheers free forester

I'm just amazed more is not made of it, esp the hoops u have to jump throu with planing if u have a couple of bats in ur roof

 

[Gzl]

Scotland's birds of prey are being killed at an alarming rate

MORE than twice as many birds of prey were confirmed victims of illegal persecution in 2019 compared to the previous year, according to a new RSPB report published today.

www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com

 

[countrryboy]

Hardly a reputable source thou??

2 of the alleged incidents were widely thought to be fakes.
The GE with the fenn trap, was it not thought to be an eagle carrying the trap for wot was in it rather than caught in it?? Mind the photo was on here.

The other was the male HH trapped on a nest, I thought male HH never had much to do with the nest itself. And that moor hasn't been managed for shooting for nigh on a decade now.

How many other 'alleged' crimes are fictional??
I see they also include any transmitter that stops working too despite no bodies found or even knowing if bird actually died.

28 is not good but still a tiny number, esp considering most there will be absolutely no evidence or it is tampered with. The only number that really counts is wot the polis think are credible and investigateable.
Bet more are killed by wind turbines every year.

Considering how many keepers still a tiny %.
U don't ban all car driving because some folk continue to drink drive

 

[Gzl]

Hardly a reputable source thou??

2 of the alleged incidents were widely thought to be fakes.
The GE with the fenn trap, was it not thought to be an eagle carrying the trap for wot was in it rather than caught in it?? Mind the photo was on here.

The other was the male HH trapped on a nest, I thought male HH never had much to do with the nest itself. And that moor hasn't been managed for shooting for nigh on a decade now.

How many other 'alleged' crimes are fictional??
I see they also include any transmitter that stops working too despite no bodies found or even knowing if bird actually died.

28 is not good but still a tiny number, esp considering most there will be absolutely no evidence or it is tampered with. The only number that really counts is wot the polis think are credible and investigateable.
Bet more are killed by wind turbines every year.

Considering how many keepers still a tiny %.
U don't ban all car driving because some folk continue to drink drive

Not sure your attempt to compare drunk drivers with raptor persecution holds any water, the sad fact is that the people that kill raptors have done so all of their careers, it’s in their DNA. If you take the bad apples that are caught such as in the article below the judge clearly states “we will never know how many he has killed”, as for the bad apples that are never caught......they continue undiscovered. What is fair to say is that if someone is capable of killing one raptor it would be safe to assume they will take every opportunity that comes their way.

Gamekeeper avoids prison after wildlife crime spree

Alan Wilson, 61, was snared following a multi-agency operation in the Scottish Borders.

news.stv.tv

 

[Apthorpe]

Not sure your attempt to compare drunk drivers with raptor persecution holds any water, the sad fact is that the people that kill raptors have done so all of their careers, it’s in their DNA. If you take the bad apples that are caught such as in the article below the judge clearly states “we will never know how many he has killed”, as for the bad apples that are never caught......they continue undiscovered. What is fair to say is that if someone is capable of killing one raptor it would be safe to assume they will take every opportunity that comes their way.

Gamekeeper avoids prison after wildlife crime spree

Alan Wilson, 61, was snared following a multi-agency operation in the Scottish Borders.

news.stv.tv

It certainly is not safe to assume a criminal will have repeated a crime at every opportunity. That rationale is obviously totally false. A car thief doesn't steal every car they see, a mugger doesn't mug every old lady they see, and a wildlife criminal will not kill every raptor they can.
It may be more reasonable to think that they might have killed more raptors if they were causing problems, but the only thing that is safe to assume is that they have killed precisely what they have been convicted of, because nothing else can be proven.

 

[VSS]

I was reading a report recently about some peregrines that had been poisoned using pigeon carcasses as bait. That made me think: Why the finger of blame always pointed at keepers? What about the racing pigeon boys? They used to have a bit of a reputation for poisoning bop, but not heard any mention of them for a long time. I guess it's because they're not "toffs" or landowners, and therefore don't fit the real agenda behind all this, which is quite clearly nothing but a petty class war.

 

[Apthorpe]

As above. I think it's not even class war. This is a small clique of people who want to expropriate British uplands from their rightful owners into opaque "trusts" in order to "rewild" them.
It's got virtually nothing to do with birds of prey and far more to do with forced land redistribution.

 

[Rake Aboot]

That doesn't change the fact that some arseholes are still killing BoP.

And we all know it happens, we just hope it happens less than we imagine.

To be fair I doubt the lot on that moor expected that lead parcel to ever resurface.

 

[Apthorpe]

That doesn't change the fact that some arseholes are still killing BoP.

And we all know it happens, we just hope it happens less than we imagine.

To be fair I doubt the lot on that moor expected that lead parcel to ever resurface.

Indeed, I'm merely trying to bring the matter into perspective and have people focus on the reality, not the fevered imagination of extremists.

 

[countrryboy]

But do u honestly believe a keeper walked round the moors with lead box in his pocket, just in case??

Just had a look at the photos off the parcel, does it really look like it's been battered about coming down a river??

 

[Apthorpe]

But do u honestly believe a keeper walked round the moors with lead box in his pocket, just in case??

Just had a look at the photos off the parcel, does it really look like it's been battered about coming down a river??

Obviously it ihasn't been washed down a river.

If someone is prepared to believe this story, then they'll believe anything. Maybe the keeper wasn't carrying the lead. Elvis was carrying it for him.

 

[Rake Aboot]

You're kidding yourself if you think a moor keeper wouldn't do this.

 

[countrryboy]

I doubt many moor keepers run about with lead in their pockets, I doubt any moor keepers even thought up such a well thought out scheme.

Sure many less complicated ways, and let's face it still no body has been discovered, no one actual knows if it is dead or how it died.

So unless ur a bit like Ace Ventura pet detectivee who can talk to animals and also use a ouija board I really can't see how they can claim anything.

They definately have had a massive ammount of publicity out off a 4yr old transmitter they had lying about

 

[Gzl]

Indeed, I'm merely trying to bring the matter into perspective and have people focus on the reality, not the fevered imagination of extremists.

from your stance in this discussion it would appear that your belief is that the only raptors that are killed are the ones that are found? If this is the case I would proffer its a tad on the naive side.
Looking for a moment at the eagle story that you often refer to and ridicule, I guess you could pick through this and other Similar events and pull the conspiracy theory, exaggerated and exfoliated by the doubters and flat earthers. The facts, as you often quote are indeed those that are prosecuted, and they usually are the multi offender that is caught in possession, and as I said these are always going to offend until caught, and even then will they stop or will they just alter their behaviour to eliminate their mistakes?
Now go and check your Facts...

 

[Waz77]

That doesn't change the fact that some arseholes are still killing BoP.

And we all know it happens, we just hope it happens less than we imagine.

To be fair I doubt the lot on that moor expected that lead parcel to ever resurface.

If the lot on that Moor really chucked it in the river why did the person who found it take a picture before they opened it and knew what was in there? Seems very odd behaviour

 

[Apthorpe]

from your stance in this discussion it would appear that your belief is that the only raptors that are killed are the ones that are found? If this is the case I would proffer its a tad on the naive side.
Looking for a moment at the eagle story that you often refer to and ridicule, I guess you could pick through this and other Similar events and pull the conspiracy theory, exaggerated and exfoliated by the doubters and flat earthers. The facts, as you often quote are indeed those that are prosecuted, and they usually are the multi offender that is caught in possession, and as I said these are always going to offend until caught, and even then will they stop or will they just alter their behaviour to eliminate their mistakes?
Now go and check your Facts...

Or you could go back and actually bother to read what I wrote, which is far from what you impute. Or is this another area where the facts don't matter?

 

[Dan Newcombe]

I think that the initial proposal was that the passion and fervour with which this is persued by some people means that this sort of thing is by no means out of the realms of possibility to have been fabricated.

Might not have been but there are much easier and more certain ways to get rid of something than this.

 

[Rake Aboot]

If the lot on that Moor really chucked it in the river why did the person who found it take a picture before they opened it and knew what was in there? Seems very odd behaviour

You're kidding ?

If you found something wrapped in lead sheet, and you had your phone with you, would you record the episode and see what was hidden , wrapped up in lead and hidden in a river ??

Of course you would, stupid to think anyone wouldn't.