Leaving - days to go

[User00025]

Interesting this proposed rule you can only stop 90 days if you are stupid enough to fund EU countries by going there.
I take it this applies also to the people coming over from France in small boats. 90 days send em back.
British planes may no longer be allowed to land in Europe. Bye Spain, Bye Greece, Bye all you other tourist places. British money withdrawn, starve you ....s.

Honda, Toyota, Nissan built in the U.K..........That will do.

Agreed, but why do we have to tax all imported cars to the same extent as EU cars, can we not pick and choose what we do if we are a sovereign nation.

 

[User00025]

Interesting this proposed rule you can only stop 90 days if you are stupid enough to fund EU countries by going there.
I take it this applies also to the people coming over from France in small boats. 90 days send em back.
British planes may no longer be allowed to land in Europe. Bye Spain, Bye Greece, Bye all you other tourist places. British money withdrawn, starve you ....s.

Honda, Toyota, Nissan built in the U.K..........That will do.

Agreed, but why do we have to tax all imported cars to the same extent as EU cars, can we not pick and choose what we do if we are a sovereign nation.

I cannot understand why we didn't start from a position of preparing for a no deal rather than this desperate holding out for a deal. If we weren't prepared for a no deal, we had no leverage to get a deal.

I also think people are in for a nasty surprise when they find that actually it is our own love of regulation that is responsible for much of the regulatory rubbish that all governments have blamed on the EU. Whilst the regulations might have stemmed from the EU, our implementation of it has been excessive and heavy handed and not mirrored else where within the EU. One has to question whether the amount of regulations imposed by successive governments have been of benefit to society or for purposes of justifying the existence of a bloated public sector.

I well remember butchers in Britain (proper ones, who killed their own) having to either upgrade their slaughterhouses to prescribed standards for EU or stop killing. Most of them couldn't afford to do it, so we have this stupid system of animals travelling great distance to be killed in massive abbatoirs.
I don't know about others on here but I have seen blood running out of what would be classified here as hovels and down the street in more than one EU country. Why oh why do we conform when others just flout the regulations and get away with it. And that is without even thinking about safety in the Construction industry.
Europe is pathetic.

 

[BryanDC]

Interesting this proposed rule you can only stop 90 days if you are stupid enough to fund EU countries by going there.
I take it this applies also to the people coming over from France in small boats. 90 days send em back.

As I understand it there was already a rule that any EU national could only come to britain for 90 days or 180 days if they were actively seeking employment. It is successive governments that have failed to implement those rules. I also believe that net migration is about the same as it has been over the last few years. It's just that the numbers from europe have gone down in the last couple of years and those from other places have gone up by about the same.

 

[TomDeer]

I don't know about others on here but I have seen blood running out of what would be classified here as hovels and down the street in more than one EU country. Why oh why do we conform when others just flout the regulations and get away with it. And that is without even thinking about safety in the Construction industry.

Probably you best don't even start thinking about EU State Aid rules then. The two countries keenest on enforcing them (France and Germany) are also the two countries most frequently and significantly in breach of them. Oh, by the way, they would quite like the UK to continue to comply with EU State Aid requirements after we leave as well...

 

[User00025]

As I understand it there was already a rule that any EU national could only come to britain for 90 days or 180 days if they were actively seeking employment. It is successive governments that have failed to implement those rules. I also believe that net migration is about the same as it has been over the last few years. It's just that the numbers from europe have gone down in the last couple of years and those from other places have gone up by about the same.

I bow to your superior knowledge, then the French boat people who should have stayed in the safe country of France can be sent back there 90 days after landing here.

 

[User00025]

Probably you best don't even start thinking about EU State Aid rules then. The two countries keenest on enforcing them (France and Germany) are also the two countries most frequently and significantly in breach of them. Oh, by the way, they would quite like the UK to continue to comply with EU State Aid requirements after we leave as well...

Meant for them not you.

 

[jer]

Who else will the uk trade with if not the eu?

I see your living up to your SD name.

 

[BryanDC]

I bow to your superior knowledge, then the French boat people who should have stayed in the safe country of France can be sent back there 90 days after landing here.

They are not from the EU, but you are right they are supposed to claim asylum in the country they first arrived in. Not to worry. The UK population is in no danger of dropping when you have 3 million from Hong Kong just waiting for a passport

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Honda, Toyota, Nissan built in the U.K..........That will do.

Plus Mini & Rolls Royce (BMW Group) Bentley (VAG Group). These foreign companies do give well paid employment to many skilled British workers since the UK industry folded in the 70"s. Plus all the smaller automotive suppliers who are exporting into the EU, just to put a more factual perspective onto this debate.

 

[User00025]

Plus Mini & Rolls Royce (BMW Group) Bentley (VAG Group). These foreign companies do give well paid employment to many skilled British workers since the UK industry folded in the 70"s. Plus all the smaller automotive suppliers who are exporting into the EU, just to put a more factual perspective onto this debate.

Oh dear, "How sad, so sorry, never mind". We are totally doomed just like after WW1 and WW2 and the three day week etc.
Please E U we are so sorry, we are doomed, please save us.
There you are a few of yours and others predictions, a complete load of Bx.
We will be here still and soldiering on when the mighty EU collapses.

 

[glasshalffull]

I see your living up to your SD name.

And regards the Oz trading arrangements between the EU and themselves well they are STILL waiting on free trade arrangements being agreed, so there

 

[Heym SR20]

Honda, Toyota, Nissan set up UK factories to serve both UK and EU markets. Now that we are out of the EU, that market has shrunk from 300m potential consumers down to 65m.

And UK has done a trade deal with Japan - and do has the EU. Nissan has already moved its new models back to its Japanese facility. Honda has stopped UK production citing COVID supply chain issues, but do wonder if it will start up again.

Nissan, Honda, Toyota etc can make vehicles more efficiently and cheaply in Japan and ship finished vehicles to UK.

so thats all the jobs in the factories and supply chain gone.

Jaguar Land Rover is building all its new models in Slovakia and building its European supply chain. Castle Bromwich has also shut down manufacture citing COVID. Yes it still has its design and engineering at Gaydon - but for how long. For an economy the real value is from the taxes made from all the employed people both directly and in supply chain.

Financial Services - most European operations now moved to Amsterdam, Berlin and Frankfurt. Most are working well as people are able to walk to offices and keep socially distanced.

UK financial service sector relies on London - and most workers have to commute on overcrowded trains and tubes and work in overcrowded offices. Due to Pandemic London is a ghost town, many are furloughed and won’t be brought back.

And its now clear that UK service providers won’t be able to operate in Europe unless they have a european base staffed by those with the authority to witk in Europe.

Agriculture and Fishing - well we have lost our major markets. And no the UK cannot do direct back door deals with individual EU countries like Spain.

As for Red Tape - or freedom from Red Tape - well the UK is beholden to Red Tape and UK government will just add yet more. If you want good examples just look at our Firearms legislation or Food standards.

Whilst I hope the economic, political and social fortunes are good in the long term, my expectations - based on interactions I have with many technology companies in the UK Europe and North America along with their investors, as well as other advisors and commentators do not bode well at all. For most the UK simply doesn’t register in their thought process. We are now a non-entity run by idiots.

Yes I am pessimistic and making contingency plans, but I don’t see any joy at what we are in for in 2021 and 2022. I hope I am wrong, but the decisions have already been taken.

 

[Heym SR20]

Oh dear, "How sad, so sorry, never mind". We are totally doomed just like after WW1 and WW2 and the three day week etc.
Please E U we are so sorry, we are doomed, please save us.
There you are a few of yours and others predictions, a complete load of Bx.
We will be here still and soldiering on when the mighty EU collapses.

But what are we going to soldier in with.

UK infrastructure- completely broken and never invested into. Look at our Motorways, Rail, Telecoms etc - all well beyond sell by date. any new projects vastly over run budgets and years late - cf Crossrail, or Edinburgh Trams. And the Motorways are car parks (well Covid means are quite empty, but Christmas time???).

UK skill base. Yes we have some good universities, but UK schooling is falling far behind - again lack of investment and frankly political will. During the pandemic many many kids have not received an education.

UK healthcare - we spend a high proportion of GDP on healthcare, but have a pretty poor system.

UK has a brilliant ability to spend very very large sums of money and still create a 21st century infrastructure for a vibrant economy. Mostly because vast sums of money are redistributed from government upwards and outwards to outside interests. Why is the biggest producer of electricity EDF - that’s Electricity de France - a French state owner company???

BREXIT will do nothing to rectify past faults.

 

[paul o']

Not a fan of this man but . Photo - Google Photos

 

[TomDeer]

As for Red Tape - or freedom from Red Tape - well the UK is beholden to Red Tape and UK government will just add yet more. If you want good examples just look at our Firearms legislation or Food standards.

+1 for what he said!

 

[glasshalffull]

Wise up those with head's in the sand, or up their a... The World Bank said back in June that the economy will experience the worst recession since WW2 so the UK cannot afford a no deal brexit. Those who think a no deal with europe won't cost UK business are just plain thick

 

[User00025]

Ok - so go on: explain how he's wrong, and explain how we will prosper from this?

And explain how it is better for all of us to loose the opportunity to live and work anywhere in Europe?

I want someone - anyone - to give me concrete examples of how I, or any of us, will be better off come Jan 1. Or indeed Jan 2025.

Another voice from wee krankies Republic. Did I say he was wrong? NO. If we don't get over it we are all dead. You may want to live and work in Europe, most don't or we would all be over there.
We may not be better off but I think you are of the generation who have had it too good for too long. So you may not be able to party with your uni colleagues or have so much disposable income. Welcome to the world of the future because that is how it's going to be throughout this overpopulated country or indeed planet, Brexit or not, deal or no deal.

 

[C.J]

Wise up those with head's in the sand, or up their a... The World Bank said back in June that the economy will experience the worst recession since WW2 so the UK cannot afford a no deal brexit. Those who think a no deal with europe won't cost UK business are just plain thick

But the bbc have said ,due to covid , we are already in the worse recession , since the south sea bubble burst 300 years ago.

 

[Mungo]

Another voice from wee krankies Republic. Did I say he was wrong? NO. If we don't get over it we are all dead. You may want to live and work in Europe, most don't or we would all be over there.
We may not be better off but I think you are of the generation who have had it too good for too long. So you may not be able to party with your uni colleagues or have so much disposable income. Welcome to the world of the future because that is how it's going to be throughout this overpopulated country or indeed planet, Brexit or not, deal or no deal.

You don't know a thing about me other than that I am an academic - which appears to bother you enormously. I have never had a particularly easy life, I have worked extremely hard to have what I do (even if you may not recognise it as work), and I am certainly not someone who has ever (even when I was a student) been much interested in partying.

Too good for too long? So am I right in interpreting what you seem to be implying here: my generation and those younger than me will be the first since WWII who will be worse off than their parents generation. And this is somehow something to be approved of? Somehow we deserve this? Because we were born into a world of economic ease, we somehow deserve to suffer a bit?

You appear to explicitly acknowledge that we are all about to be worse off. And appear to think this is a good thing. I am mystified as to why.

 

[Rusty Gate]

Who else will the uk trade with if not the eu?

America saud it would back us