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nun_hunter said:
Yes what you say about the younger generation is true but part of it is to ask why?

If you can't afford to get a mortgage and your disposable income is only £400 a month it'd take a life time just to save a deposit (which with house prices rising wouldn't then be enough of a deposit after the 20 years of saving anyway) so there is no point, you may as well enjoy it and spend it.

I'd love a hand made double rifle but it would take me decades to save and I'd not have any money for any other hobbies. I may as well set my sights lower and save for a new Howa 1500 and then go out and enjoy it and have some spare cash in the mean time.

I remember my dad telling me to spend 1/3 of my wage on accomodation, 1/3 save and the other 1/3 on bills/food/socialising/hobbies/holidays etc. My mortgage alone is 60% of my take home, the rest goes on bills, food, car etc leaving about 5% to save. There isn't any point trying to save any more, it'd be like trying to fill a bathtub with a pipette and it'd mean I wouldn't be living my life.

They'll get more from you than you got from your parents and they'll have better medical care (well potentially), better technology, better life expectancy so it's not all bad news so don't take me as a moaner. I know I'll have much better things than my parents had but it's the life they had and better economic security I won't have. Personally I feel that would have been better for me staying in the EU.
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Not sure your numbers add up. In an earlier post you stated you spend 14% into a pension 🤔
 
One fine point I reckon gets missed by those who support our being a vassal state of the eu ......... The money they allotted to us was OUR money .... and to boot, they were good enough to tell us where we were ALLOWED to fuc””” spend it, at least now we can be masters of our own destiny be it GOOD or BAD!!!!! :finger::finger::finger::finger::finger::finger:
 
Well, after qualifying and working for HMG for a while I grafted wherever I went. I took a job earning a quarter of what I was on and enjoyed every minute of all the time doing it. I retired and spent a year or two in my old profession and then took on what I do now on a wild bird place with lots of deer.
I haven't regretted anything except the wounds which now play me up.
I owe nobody anything, have a minescule pension, own a cottage in a lovely small village, I have all the muskets I need and a nice motor. So long as we are dry, warm and have food, together with the odd bottle of malt I can ask for no more.
The trouble is too many others are not happy and much wants more. The majority wanted out so whatever bed we have made, I'm happy to lie in it.😇
 
The fourth Horseman said:
Well, after qualifying and working for HMG for a while I grafted wherever I went. I took a job earning a quarter of what I was on and enjoyed every minute of all the time doing it. I retired and spent a year or two in my old profession and then took on what I do now on a wild bird place with lots of deer.
I haven't regretted anything except the wounds which now play me up.
I owe nobody anything, have a minescule pension, own a cottage in a lovely small village, I have all the muskets I need and a nice motor. So long as we are dry, warm and have food, together with the odd bottle of malt I can ask for no more.
The trouble is too many others are not happy and much wants more. The majority wanted out so whatever bed we have made, I'm happy to lie in it.😇
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Agreed, ENDEX for that bunch of snouts. :british:
 
The fourth Horseman said:
Well, after qualifying and working for HMG for a while I grafted wherever I went. I took a job earning a quarter of what I was on and enjoyed every minute of all the time doing it. I retired and spent a year or two in my old profession and then took on what I do now on a wild bird place with lots of deer.
I haven't regretted anything except the wounds which now play me up.
I owe nobody anything, have a minescule pension, own a cottage in a lovely small village, I have all the muskets I need and a nice motor. So long as we are dry, warm and have food, together with the odd bottle of malt I can ask for no more.
The trouble is too many others are not happy and much wants more. The majority wanted out so whatever bed we have made, I'm happy to lie in it.😇
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Well pleased for you. But many of us are still very much on the journey, needing to put kids through school and university. Given the state of the economy and a no deal I am now in the difficult position of having to move the business to Europe as that is where the clients are all moving to and making myself and other British colleagues effectively redundant.

Over the last year / 18 months with client companies I have seen probably 1,000 skilled jobs go to Europe. Companies are being forced by their own customers to set up European operations so as to avoid supply chain issues. Is a choice of move or go out of business

This is the Shite we are dealing with on a daily basis and it really sadens and sickens me. Each job that is lost is not a meaningless statistic, it is a whole family that is being affected. Many of the staff are currently furloughed so at least are a reasonable income. Sadly as soon as furlough is over they will be made redundant.

it should be perfectly achievable for there to be a workable deal. There is one on offer, but Borris is choosing not to accept it because of fish. And the fishing industry, along with agriculture will be very badly affected by no deal. Most businesses won’t survive long enough to find new customers.

if he can’t get a deal through with our biggest trading partner, it doesn’t hold a lot of promise for the rest that he is promising to get in place.

and those little pensions that some are lucky enough to have - well they have got a lot smaller, and watch them fall even further.

I am seeing the real effect Brexit is having, and that is why I may across as a bit frustrated and grumpy.

yes there was a vote. I can live with that. What I can’t and will not condone is an inept government that made lots of false promises to the electorate and that is doing real harm on a daily basis.
 
dartmoordog said:
Economic benefits of post war Britain!.......You really believe that total garbage don’t you, it is the biggest load of utter rubbish. Get real, it is an idiotic statement.

I am a baby boomer, my mum had to cut the soles off her shoes and stick them onto mine, so I could go to school without wet feet.

I left school at 16, my parents needed me to contribute, and have worked ever since, never had a day out of work in my adult life. I have a lovely three bedroom, detached bungalow nestling in the Dartmoor National Park in the amazing county of Devon, money in the bank, a new car, a pick up truck, cabinet full of hobby items, exotic holidays every year, all bought and paid for by my wife and I. Do we deserve it now we are older.............Too bloody right we do!

No inheritance, my folks were council estate people. I have NEVER taken a penny from the state, but boy, have I paid into it, and a pension scheme since I was 22, keeping us broke for years.

Strangely, my two, grown up, children and grandchildren will benefit HUGELY from our estate when we peg it, from our graft, work and commitment. We had NO, ZERO, ZILCH inheritance.

Economic benefits my arse, your talking total cr*p........But you believe it!
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I can see you worked very hard for your money. You don't have to leave alot to relatives. You could take the view that you worked hard so you can slow down a bit and spend some on yourself and enjoy life while you can. Because if you don't if you are unlucky and need care the will quit happily take it from you. I'm not saying go spend it all but their is nothing wrong with trying to leave the world with not so many assets.
 
Farmer Geddon said:
So, huge snouts, fourth reich, arseholes of Europe, so does hatred count as a good reason. So there we have it. no discussion, just emotive rant.
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Facts aren't hate, they're just facts.
Get over yourself.
Heym SR20 said:
Borris is choosing not to accept it because of fish.
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It's not really just about fish is it?
If it were just that ,then why doesn't Brussels just let it go and buy the fish off us?
You still talk about all the hurt that's going to come to us?
What about all the EU citizens and workers that going to suffer too ?
Or dont the elites in Brussels give a flying fish about them ?
 
Not emotive rant FACTS, eu,not one! THAT’S. 1 !! set of accounts ..... If I dipped once on putting in my self employed accounts to HMRC I would have been in a world of hurt, So who benefits? The Snouts ... Fourth Reich, you are not aware which country is in the eu driving seat? 🙈 hatred? No just firm dislike, Ted Heath had a good idea, it was a common market not a union, They did not want us on two tries ... now they know such a large supporting structure has left them ..... if hindsight were involved we should have left out the 5/6th June 🤬
 
Farmer Geddon said:
I enjoy a debate, but arguments based on emotion are pointless, there is one thing I am not clear about in all this.
Can anyone tell me just one single advantage that we have by Leaving the EU, cos I'm struggling here.
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Yes. And it is the sole reason, and with regret, that I voted "Leave". It is that Home Office immigration rules will now be applied the same to European Citizens as it is to Commonwealth Citizens (be they black, white, red or yellow).

As a husband to a Nigerian wife I (as did many others with non-EU spouses) found it disgraceful that the immigration rules that applied to her were harsh and onerous and also costly. Including the need...yes...to pay for an take an English language test (for what else is but the ONLY official language of Nigeria but English).

But that...and I'll be quote blunt....thieving pick-pocketing persistent Roma criminals had to be allowed freely to enter and remain in the UK because they possessed a passport bearing an EU Citizen inscription regardless of that they had indeed been convicted for such crimes.

I feel that the decision to Brexit was a wrong one but I also believe that at last we can now have an immigration policy where British Citizens and their family members are no longer treated worse than EU Citizens and their family members when seeking to enter the UK.

It cannot be right and was not right that as a British Citizen my English speaking Commonwealth Citizen spouse's immigration rights were worse...far far so...than the immigration rights of non-English speaking EU Citzens with often no means of support and, indeed, criminal convictions for crimes committed here in the UK and elsewhere.

So that is indeed my reason...that one single advantage...for voting leave. Heck! Is it right that we have had the Windrush scandal, the ex-Gurkha soldier settlement scandal and yet that we had an open door to the UK to thieving Roma gypsies solely because of EU Law?
 
Heym SR20 said:
Well pleased for you. But many of us are still very much on the journey, needing to put kids through school and university. Given the state of the economy and a no deal I am now in the difficult position of having to move the business to Europe as that is where the clients are all moving to and making myself and other British colleagues effectively redundant.

Over the last year / 18 months with client companies I have seen probably 1,000 skilled jobs go to Europe. Companies are being forced by their own customers to set up European operations so as to avoid supply chain issues. Is a choice of move or go out of business

This is the Shite we are dealing with on a daily basis and it really sadens and sickens me. Each job that is lost is not a meaningless statistic, it is a whole family that is being affected. Many of the staff are currently furloughed so at least are a reasonable income. Sadly as soon as furlough is over they will be made redundant.

it should be perfectly achievable for there to be a workable deal. There is one on offer, but Borris is choosing not to accept it because of fish. And the fishing industry, along with agriculture will be very badly affected by no deal. Most businesses won’t survive long enough to find new customers.

if he can’t get a deal through with our biggest trading partner, it doesn’t hold a lot of promise for the rest that he is promising to get in place.

and those little pensions that some are lucky enough to have - well they have got a lot smaller, and watch them fall even further.

I am seeing the real effect Brexit is having, and that is why I may across as a bit frustrated and grumpy.

yes there was a vote. I can live with that. What I can’t and will not condone is an inept government that made lots of false promises to the electorate and that is doing real harm on a daily basis.
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I completely understand your predicament. However my kids didn't have to be put through school or university, they went to village schools and local comprehensives. One is now a builder after spending an apprenticeship as a bricklayer and then a para for a few years. The other runs one of the largest British ports after being vice president of a huge logistic company all starting as a traffic clerk. It just shows what you can achieve without formal education.
I feel sorry for your employees but cannot see why you need to move the company losing all your skilled employees and I don't accept the mass exodus of companies you are predicting.
If you move your outfit, hopefully you will move too and enjoy Europe, good luck in the short term.
The deal on offer is cr.. with us still being subservient to the EU and their whims, the fishing is merely a red herring fronting sovereignty.
Being frustrated and grumpy is great I can understand that as your business will be tottering for a while, but get real Britain will survive, but MARK WELL Europe will not.
Oh and by the way, all my grandkids have jobs, even the girls with children.
 
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Heym SR20 said:
Well pleased for you. But many of us are still very much on the journey, needing to put kids through school and university. Given the state of the economy and a no deal I am now in the difficult position of having to move the business to Europe as that is where the clients are all moving to and making myself and other British colleagues effectively redundant.

Over the last year / 18 months with client companies I have seen probably 1,000 skilled jobs go to Europe. Companies are being forced by their own customers to set up European operations so as to avoid supply chain issues. Is a choice of move or go out of business

This is the Shite we are dealing with on a daily basis and it really sadens and sickens me. Each job that is lost is not a meaningless statistic, it is a whole family that is being affected. Many of the staff are currently furloughed so at least are a reasonable income. Sadly as soon as furlough is over they will be made redundant.

it should be perfectly achievable for there to be a workable deal. There is one on offer, but Borris is choosing not to accept it because of fish. And the fishing industry, along with agriculture will be very badly affected by no deal. Most businesses won’t survive long enough to find new customers.

if he can’t get a deal through with our biggest trading partner, it doesn’t hold a lot of promise for the rest that he is promising to get in place.

and those little pensions that some are lucky enough to have - well they have got a lot smaller, and watch them fall even further.

I am seeing the real effect Brexit is having, and that is why I may across as a bit frustrated and grumpy.

yes there was a vote. I can live with that. What I can’t and will not condone is an inept government that made lots of false promises to the electorate and that is doing real harm on a daily basis.
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It’s not just got to do with fish, if we are tied to a ‘Level Playing Field’ then it will hold back growth, why do you think the EU are so insistent on it, they are in fact seriously concerned about it, makes you wonder why.
 
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I once passed astern of the ferry leaving Douglas, I hasten to add I did not have the con, it was like falling off a cliff, I was on board a very large & fast r.i.b., many bruises were collected, I imagine second thoughts will be to the fore on the french beaches.
 
Heym SR20 said:
Well pleased for you. But many of us are still very much on the journey, needing to put kids through school and university. Given the state of the economy and a no deal I am now in the difficult position of having to move the business to Europe as that is where the clients are all moving to and making myself and other British colleagues effectively redundant.

Over the last year / 18 months with client companies I have seen probably 1,000 skilled jobs go to Europe. Companies are being forced by their own customers to set up European operations so as to avoid supply chain issues. Is a choice of move or go out of business

This is the Shite we are dealing with on a daily basis and it really sadens and sickens me. Each job that is lost is not a meaningless statistic, it is a whole family that is being affected. Many of the staff are currently furloughed so at least are a reasonable income. Sadly as soon as furlough is over they will be made redundant.

it should be perfectly achievable for there to be a workable deal. There is one on offer, but Borris is choosing not to accept it because of fish. And the fishing industry, along with agriculture will be very badly affected by no deal. Most businesses won’t survive long enough to find new customers.

if he can’t get a deal through with our biggest trading partner, it doesn’t hold a lot of promise for the rest that he is promising to get in place.

and those little pensions that some are lucky enough to have - well they have got a lot smaller, and watch them fall even further.

I am seeing the real effect Brexit is having, and that is why I may across as a bit frustrated and grumpy.

yes there was a vote. I can live with that. What I can’t and will not condone is an inept government that made lots of false promises to the electorate and that is doing real harm on a daily basis.
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Heym SR20,
It’s easy to understand why you would like to remain from your writing in this post, as would lots of others that have a vested interest in the EU.
The EU sounds good, but in practise it’s failing and falling by its own hand.
The majority voted for the good of the whole UK, not like the selfish ones who were only concerned about their own ambitions.
I don’t mind if things get harder for a while, and if they do, hopefully it will be relatively short term.
Whatever, I doubt things will be as bad as we were told were a certainty if we left.
Wat kind of club wants to punish its members when they no longer want to subscribe?
Cheers,Ken.
 
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