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BRYAN said:
Feckin fish. Cod in Tesco's yesterday = £15.00 per kilo.
It wasn't purchased or bred by a farmer and fed/housed for 18 months with all the associated costs.
It was just scooped from the sea.
So why is it dearer than beef?
A fish supper used to be a relatively cheap meal, not so now though.
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I get all my cod from Makro cod loin £20 a bag and I think it’s 3kgs blast frozen but individual portions so perfect to make fish and chips with.

But a lot of effort goes in to get that 1kg of cod. Then wastage etc. You’re right though fish is very lumpy.
 
Mungo said:
I’ve asked this quite a few times the various times this has come up, and never had a concrete answer other than nebulous chest thumping about sovereignty and very poorly informed ranting about immigration.
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Its all and only ever about what's in your wallet as far as you remainers are concerned isn't it? Some things are more important and its nice that you have already mentioned two of them.

Jamsie
 
starr shot said:
Let’s hope some former MPs don’t get their way and don’t allow the navy to be used to defend our fishing grounds.One of them said it would be shameful if it was used to defend ourselves.Surely not standing up for ourselves is what has got us to this point.
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I rather thought that the whole ethos of having a navy in the first place was to defend your way of life. If it means boarding and taking crews / vessels into custody for fishing illegally in our waters, then that seems like a perfectly acceptable use of the navy's time and resources. To be clear, we'll only have to take that action a few times to reinforce the fact that we are serious, then the illegal incursions into our fishing grounds will stop.

Jamsie
 
zambezi said:
Sadly, yes. That is the remainer refrain, loud and clear.

Remain arguments leave the house dressed in the language of obfusciating lofty idealism, but stripped bare they usually distill to that.
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No argument from me.

Jamsie
 
BRYAN said:
Feckin fish. Cod in Tesco's yesterday = £15.00 per kilo.
It wasn't purchased or bred by a farmer and fed/housed for 18 months with all the associated costs.
.......................It was just scooped from the sea.
So why is it dearer than beef?
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By a £1.75million trawler, a week at sea burning thousands of pounds worth of diesel each trip, six crew to pay, more refits and repairs than a Range Rover, mooring and landing fees, again thousands a year and market commissions. That just for starters, one cock up can see £10K worth of gear lost in the blink, no guarantee of a decent payday, then of course lives lost at sea.

Just recently two men lost from my former home town of Brixham, a fishing town through and through. The effect on the local community is huge.

I have been involved in agriculture, and know, have known many fisherman. I know what I would rather do! A week at sea in the Atlantic or North Sea in all weathers, has no appeal to me......Strangely. The local lads I knew in Brixham were a real tough but generous bunch, I never bought fish back in those days.

Yes, fish is expensive, too expensive, I agree.........Blame the supermarkets.
 
Finch said:
Isn't it odd how 80% of all fish taken in UK territorial waters of the English channel belong to the EU, but 100 % of all human beings plucked from the sea anywhere between Britain and France are the responsibility of the UK...?
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All because in Ed Heath's time all that Brussels wanted was agreed to and when the French thought it a joke to ask for our fishing waters they agreed to that too ;)
 
Leave with no deal it will only takes days for the french fishermen to blockade the ports, all will soon then be back round the table talking again. No deal is much better than a bad deal.
Yes we will suffer some pain and inconvenience but so be it to get the correct trade agreement with the EU, now is not the time to blink.
 
Jamsie said:
I rather thought that the whole ethos of having a navy in the first place was to defend your way of life. If it means boarding and taking crews / vessels into custody for fishing illegally in our waters, then that seems like a perfectly acceptable use of the navy's time and resources. To be clear, we'll only have to take that action a few times to reinforce the fact that we are serious, then the illegal incursions into our fishing grounds will stop.

Jamsie
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Too true! And let's make one thing clear - A senior naval officer clearly said that while all of the patrol boats are armed they have no intention of using the guns unless there is a serious threat to life. As such they are saying that they are not going out to use force, just to check and enforce the borders of the UK and (If necessary) to impound any boats that they find are fishing illegally!!
What is the point of having "Sovereignty" over our waters and resources in order for our own fishing fleet to have a chance of recovering and coming back to it's former strength and glory if we are not prepared or allowed to enforce that "Sovereignty"? As has been said, cast your minds back to the "Cod Wars" when gun boats were actually ramming British trawlers and cutting their towing warps, was that not a similar situation to the UK protecting their waters and fish stocks?
 
So, next month I want to buy a motor car. I have a choice, Japan, Germany, France, Italy, Korea, UK (ish), US... Here's my £25-40k do me a deal. The Europeans aren't going to stop that deal from going their way, same as the Asians, and the Americans. Just a bit more paperwork and taxes going to different pots.
If you have done business directly with businesses from other nations you will know what I am getting at.

I reckon no deal was always the only way, the f'wits that lead us on both sides are incapable of doing a deal that would satisfy the people they lead.
 
We should have left WTO immediately four years ago, with all the tariffs coastal blockades etc that went with it. That would have been a clean slate break and such conditions would only have persisted for a few months. We would then have built up a new trade deal in layers starting with the most pressing matters first. By now, a complete custom trade deal would have in place long ago.

I don't think a divorce is quite the right analogy, but if we're to think of it that way for the sake of convenience, then it is surely far better to separate cleanly and completely and after a period of settling down, to build up a new relationship from scratch on matters where mutual co-operation is still required. Far better than trying to undo bits of the marriage and split the house in two. That was never going to work. We are approaching now the position we should have been in by this time in 2016.
 
Finch said:
We should have left WTO immediately four years ago, with all the tariffs coastal blockades etc that went with it. That would have been a clean slate break and such conditions would only have persisted for a few months. We would then have built up a new trade deal in layers starting with the most pressing matters first. By now, a complete custom trade deal would have in place long ago.

I don't think a divorce is quite the right analogy, but if we're to think of it that way for the sake of convenience, then it is surely far better to separate cleanly and completely and after a period of settling down, to build up a new relationship from scratch on matters where mutual co-operation is still required. Far better than trying to undo bits of the marriage and split the house in two. That was never going to work. We are approaching now the position we should have been in by this time in 2016.
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Captain Hindsight has spoken.
 
Liveonce said:
Leave with no deal it will only takes days for the french fishermen to blockade the ports, all will soon then be back round the table talking again. No deal is much better than a bad deal.
Yes we will suffer some pain and inconvenience but so be it to get the correct trade agreement with the EU, now is not the time to blink.
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They may well blockade the ports, but that works both ways. We can't get in, they can't get out.
Make no mistake the🐸 will still want fish and lamb. BMW etc will still want to sell motors so in the end they have to play ball.
 
Jamsie said:
Its all and only ever about what's in your wallet as far as you remainers are concerned isn't it? Some things are more important and its nice that you have already mentioned two of them.

Jamsie
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No - its very much more than that. It’s about freedom of movement and removing barriers. Within the EU anybody who is an EU citizen had the absolute right to work anywhere within the EU, settle where they want, study and collaborate, trade with and provided you abide the local laws you ate left in piece. Within the EU there is a fundamental Human rights legislation that supercedes everything else.

The Europeans are very very aware of the effect of that group can have over the rest. And they will protect this long and hard.

Fundamentally many Brits cannot get their head around the above idea. I was born in Africa so am not a Brit. I am very aware that because of the colour of my skin I am not able to live where i was born and basic human rights are a rare and thing.

And its this freedom and that it is riciprocal that most or here and within the current government simply do not understand. It’s not just about money - it’s so much more.

In the UK there is already a very large wealth resdribution going on - upwards and into the hands of a few. Things like minimum wage, basic living and working conditions etc will all be discarded - and that is what Boris and his lot want to do.

They have already passed laws giving security services freedom from prosecution if they act in the national interest.

But who defines national interest? Mugabe’s Fifth Brigade had similar and Mugabe would claim he was democratically elected.

Its not the EU we should be worried about.
 
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