The Covid Vaccine Logic Makes No Sense At All?

[Freeforester]

Well, for the record and the avoidance of doubt, I'm definitely not recommending the bath in synthetic pyrethroid sheep dip, nor any ingestion of organophosphate compounds either, in case of doubt on that score too. I can draw from your answer that the system will not allow it to become official policy here in the UK until such time as all the various hoops and barriers are jumped through and officially lowered, irrespective of whether it 'works' like the charm the proponents claim it does, and we won't be any the wiser in that respect for as long as we continue to look inwards. Stiff upper lip it is, then.

Personally, I'm sure the individual health workers taking part in the BA trial found it to be of rather more significance. I note your incredulity at Dr Carvallo's findings, perhaps as a fellow medical man you may benefit from an inquiring email to him? It's not as if he isn't open to communication on the matter.

The world is also full of people willing to ignore new breakthroughs, Istr reading one Alexander Fleming having a bit of trouble convincing his peers as to his findings re Penecillin. Plus ça change. In the meantime, we will look on with interest, as the body count increases.

Glad I made my own personal decision, nonetheless. I wonder if the Doctors in Greece take the Hippocratic oath?

 

[Freeforester]

While we await: a little time travel, back six or seven months now, quite a shame so many have died needlessly, according to someone commenting in the video:

 

[Freeforester]

Another suggested read:

A COVID-19 prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of ivermectin - PMC

As COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) continues to rapidly spread throughout the world, the incidence varies greatly among different countries. These differences raise the question whether nations with a lower incidence share any medical ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Freeforester]

Latest: Astra Zeneca vaccine prohibited for use for over 65 year olds in the EU, throwing in particular Germany's vaccine programme into disarray.

Good enough for Brit patients, but not for the EU member states. # schadenfreude!

 

[A Guy Out West]

There have been very few if any deaths from flu this year. The flu that bumps off thousands of oldies every year in Sweden alone. Strange that nobody worries about that in a normal year. Also very few cases of sickness and diarrhea and that's rampant in Sweden over the winter months. Perhaps people are washing their hands more?

Why diarrhea in the winter?

 

[mchughcb]

There have been very few if any deaths from flu this year. The flu that bumps off thousands of oldies every year in Sweden alone. Strange that nobody worries about that in a normal year. Also very few cases of sickness and diarrhea and that's rampant in Sweden over the winter months. Perhaps people are washing their hands more?

 

[Jagare]

Why diarrhea in the winter?

January and February seem to be the months that children seem to get the squirts. Never had it myself as a child or as a adult.

 

[Jagare]

When they publish figures and Data for covid there seems to be no context given to the numbers. Its like before covid nobody died of anything and all the oldies passed away peacefully.
Back in the year 2000 I attended a funeral a month for 5 months in a row. My sister said to me that cancer was a terrible way to die. I reminded her that cancer was only one of a host of nasty thing we are going to die of when we get old. Normal healthy people have never caught some thing nasty that has had life changing consequences? Children have never got sick and died?
I watched a program about the Spanish flu that was made in 2014. Covid seems to be following the same path as the Spanish flu but not as deadly. The question was raised, why did the Spanish flu disappear. The doctor said it was because it ran out of people to infect. They also asked the question, what will happen in the next pandemic? Now we know. Clusterphuck comes to mind.

 

[Fair Hill]

I personally feel that there is far too much scare mongering going on about the Covid vaccine. As soon as it is available I will have the vaccine without any hesitation. Given the choice I would prefer to be given the Oxford vaccine but I will be happy to have whatever vaccine and protection I can get from which ever vaccine is available to me. My wife however has been listening to the scare mongering (Unfortunately she is sometimes a bit gullible and tends to believe what they say on telly, thinking that because it's on telly it must be true) and is hesitant about having the vaccine so my sister in law who is a senior staff nurse is coming round next week to try to talk some sense into the wife.
This damned scare mongering has to stop!

Maybe this might help reassure your good lady FrenchieBoy....

Over 99% have accepted offer to receive Covid vaccine says HSE | BreakingNews

Over 99 per cent of people offered the Covid vaccine in the first allocation groups have chosen to receive the first dose according the HSE.Up to January 27th, 99.6 per cent of people offered the vaccine chose to accept it, with 147,700 first doses being administered in the State

www.breakingnews.ie

 

[Freeforester]

I personally feel that there is far too much scare mongering going on about the Covid vaccine. As soon as it is available I will have the vaccine without any hesitation. Given the choice I would prefer to be given the Oxford vaccine but I will be happy to have whatever vaccine and protection I can get from which ever vaccine is available to me. My wife however has been listening to the scare mongering (Unfortunately she is sometimes a bit gullible and tends to believe what they say on telly, thinking that because it's on telly it must be true) and is hesitant about having the vaccine so my sister in law who is a senior staff nurse is coming round next week to try to talk some sense into the wife.
This damned scare mongering has to stop!

Just to advise everyone reading the thread, a previously jabbed (Pfizer BioNtech, first jab only, as far as I can determine) patient at an elderly care home here tested positive for the virus yesterday. All the staff were jabbed before the patients, which I think was sensible.

It was considered that yesterday's positive test of the elderly patient was a 'false positive', alas the PCR test results have also shown the patient to be positive.

This is of course an isolated case at this point in time, but given the total lockdown within the care home, it can be deduced that the virus can only have come in to the place via either a staff member, or some object which was contaminated and touched.

There is also the possibility that both the quick test and the PCR test are both showing 'false positive' results.

It will of course be an interesting matter to see whether any further patients or staff members test positive too.

The takeaway seems to be that, if the tests are correct, then jabbing the most vulnerable in our midst is no guarantee that they cannot contract the virus.

This development may not be the first to cast doubt on either the efficacy of the vaccine, or the governments preferred 'long interval' strategy as concerns the roll-out. We need to be on our guard, and still assume that we can get the virus, even if we are jabbed.

I'll keep you advised of any further developments in this regard, which I offer as information that everyone should be made aware of.

Seems as if we may have a ways to go yet with the vaccine.

 

[bfltd0]

The takeaway seems to be that, if the tests are correct, then jabbing the most vulnerable in our midst is no guarantee that they cannot contract the virus.

This is absolutely right and no-one should be under any illusion that just because you have had the jabe, you are automatically 100% immune. I don't believe it has ever been sold as that. This is from the government coronavirus pages on gov.uk:

"The COVID-19 vaccine that you have had has been shown to reduce the chance of you suffering from COVID-19 disease. Each vaccine has been tested in more than 20,000 people in several different countries and shown to be safe. It may take a week or two for your body to build up some protection from the first dose of vaccine. Like all medicines, no vaccine is completely effective, so you should continue to take recommended precautions to avoid infection. Some people may still get COVID-19 despite having a vaccination, but this should be less severe.

The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus, but we do expect it to reduce this risk."

So yes, you might still get the virus even if you have had both jabs, but you might not. And if you do, it is probable that you won't get as sick as you would have done without the vaccine.

 

[Freeforester]

Quite so. Unlike Ivermectin, which, by means of its mechanism of function when taken as a preventative measure prevents the reproduction of the virus within you, the various vaccines may allow the recipient to still contract the virus, and for the virus to replicate, and even be shed from the person, to infect others.

The person themselves, it is hoped, will not go on to develop more serious symptoms, but this is not yet a given, and cannot be determined as yet, because insufficient numbers of people have had a full vaccine course. Hence the advice is to act like you haven't been protected (even though youve been vaccinated), possibly because you indeed haven't.


Explanation of how Ivermectin prevents the virus from replicating, and also how it prevents the virus from damaging you:

 

[countrryboy]

Surprised no one has mentioned this.

But if which ever vaccine roughly gives u some degree of protection for 6 months ( which is still jus a guesstimate) by time June comes around they will have to start vaccinating again that high risk population
Yet there still pencilling estimated vaccine ages for younger folk well not late summer.

Bit like painting he forth road bridge except only getting half it painted before u start again so 1 half never gets done.


Personally I think the vaccine is being well over rated in many parts it does not mean life can get back to normal.
Still an awful lot off unknown surrounding it.
Going to be a long long time before that happens.
It's only a matter of time before it mutated again into something the rugs not work for.

 

[Fair Hill]

Surprised no one has mentioned this.

But if which ever vaccine roughly gives u some degree of protection for 6 months ( which is still jus a guesstimate) by time June comes around they will have to start vaccinating again that high risk population
Yet there still pencilling estimated vaccine ages for younger folk well not late summer.

Bit like painting he forth road bridge except only getting half it painted before u start again so 1 half never gets done.


Personally I think the vaccine is being well over rated in many parts it does not mean life can get back to normal.
Still an awful lot off unknown surrounding it.
Going to be a long long time before that happens.
It's only a matter of time before it mutated again into something the rugs not work for.

This guy actually knows what he is talking about and has a nice way with words....

Luke O’Neill: ‘We will be back in beer gardens with friends in June’

‘If nobody left their house for three weeks, the virus would go away but that’s impossible’

www.irishtimes.com

 

[countrryboy]

Being back in a beer garden is hardly a sign things are back to normal thou.
We could still drink in beer gardens until just before Christmas being in a tier 1 area.
Still with a load of restrictions thou.

In their possibly as long as no one ever entered ur country again, mibbee possibly in dire but not UK with the amount of travelling that goes on throu London and other cities. Would only take 1 or 2 to get in and spread it, faulty tests

Plenty of very clever professors etc have came out with plenty off theories not many have been correct so far.

I can't see this gong away, will just come back like flu every winter, sadly were it going to have to suck it up, all got to die sometime.

 

[Fair Hill]

Being back in a beer garden is hardly a sign things are back to normal thou.
We could still drink in beer gardens until just before Christmas being in a tier 1 area.
Still with a load of restrictions thou.

In their possibly as long as no one ever entered ur country again, mibbee possibly in dire but not UK with the amount of travelling that goes on throu London and other cities. Would only take 1 or 2 to get in and spread it, faulty tests

Plenty of very clever professors etc have came out with plenty off theories not many have been correct so far.

I can't see this gong away, will just come back like flu every winter, sadly were it going to have to suck it up, all got to die sometime.

Cool.

 

[zambezi]

will just come back like flu every winter,

Yup. Because for the virus to "go away", the world would have to step indoors for two weeks. Simultaneously.

Not just students, or tier 4 areas, or England, or Europe...and that will never happen. So we need a mindset shift: no permutation of lockdown will fix this.

If vaccines give the most vulnerable some protection, and they need two jabs a year, so be it.

But something approaching normal has to resume soon.

Lockdowns are killing people. Lockdowns are arresting the development of the next generation. Lockdowns are breaking society.

 

[Brittany boy]

Well I tested positive on the 17th January along with 80% of my shift. The effects have been different for each, as for myself I was fine for the 1st 4 days then the fever started, 5 days in bed raging temperature water beads running off my whole body, no appetite no strength a cough that stops you catching your breath and your exhausted and I required a course of steroids to let me breath. I’ve no idea how long it will take to get back to normal if I ever do but at the moment it feels like it might be an uphill struggle.

As a serving cop we are not seen as frontline workers and are meant to be kept safe by sticking to the guidelines produced by the government. We are provided a mask and paper suit for decorating and a pair of goggles you would not wear to use a strimmer. We still have to attend calls that could be dealt with on the phone but each and everyone I know has no issue with attending genuine calls to people in need , that is why we joined the job.

It’s all very frustrating to see social workers working from the safety of home and optician staff getting vaccinated yet some medical staff as well as ourselves are still waiting along with teachers who just want to get the kids back into school for their mental health as much as anything else. The government really need to have a rethink and as an earlier post stated the oldies were just quineapigs and as there’s been no major horrors they will roll out the vaccines. I don’t do politics and rant over. But please take every precaution you possibly can to avoid contracting this devastating virus and let’s hope the6 increase the penalties for idiots breaking the rules.

 

[bfltd0]

Yup. Because for the virus to "go away", the world would have to step indoors for two weeks. Simultaneously.

Not just students, or tier 4 areas, or England, or Europe...and that will never happen. So we need a mindset shift: no permutation of lockdown will fix this.

If vaccines give the most vulnerable some protection, and they need two jabs a year, so be it.

But something approaching normal has to resume soon.

Lockdowns are killing people. Lockdowns are arresting the development of the next generation. Lockdowns are breaking society.

The Government has already increased the amount of people that are offered the flu jab. Even if it is replaced with a pill or some other substitute, I can't see a covid vaccine not being at least an annual requirement.

But this still requires the vast majority of the population to comply by actually having the jab/pill/however it is administered. If 20% of the population are unwilling to do so, that's 12 million people walking around as potential victims and spreaders of the virus or mutated variant thereof.

This will take a fair amount of persuasion, especially in the younger age groups, who are the covidiots having parties with hundreds of people.

 

[bfltd0]

Well I tested positive on the 17th January along with 80% of my shift. The effects have been different for each, as for myself I was fine for the 1st 4 days then the fever started, 5 days in bed raging temperature water beads running off my whole body, no appetite no strength a cough that stops you catching your breath and your exhausted and I required a course of steroids to let me breath. I’ve no idea how long it will take to get back to normal if I ever do but at the moment it feels like it might be an uphill struggle.

As a serving cop we are not seen as frontline workers and are meant to be kept safe by sticking to the guidelines produced by the government. We are provided a mask and paper suit for decorating and a pair of goggles you would not wear to use a strimmer. We still have to attend calls that could be dealt with on the phone but each and everyone I know has no issue with attending genuine calls to people in need , that is why we joined the job.

It’s all very frustrating to see social workers working from the safety of home and optician staff getting vaccinated yet some medical staff as well as ourselves are still waiting along with teachers who just want to get the kids back into school for their mental health as much as anything else. The government really need to have a rethink and as an earlier post stated the oldies were just quineapigs and as there’s been no major horrors they will roll out the vaccines. I don’t do politics and rant over. But please take every precaution you possibly can to avoid contracting this devastating virus and let’s hope the6 increase the penalties for idiots breaking the rules.

Stay well!