New 12 Micron thermal rifle scope made in the UK
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Definitely put together and made in the UK Liveonce.
The Helion 2 XP50 PRO is a spotter, not a rifle scope so I'm not sure they are comparable.
If it's image, we are discussing then the new Helion should still be able to provide an image above it's noise floor when the differential temperature between objects is .025 degrees vs .04 degrees for the T-Ceptor PRO. What that means in the real world at this level of high sensitivity remains to be seen.
The new Helion will have an IFOV of 34mm at 100m vs. the much finer IFOV of 21.8mm for the T-Ceptor PRO. So like for like targets will be comprised of considerably more pixels with the T-Ceptor PRO and be resolved in more detail.
The DRI (Detection/Recognition/Identification) range on a Fox .5m x .9m for the two devices would be:
T-Ceptor PRO 55- 2050/510/260m
Helion 2 XP50 PRO 1320/330/160m
The Helion has a shuttered core that requires calibration by freezing the image and only provides it's best image the instant after a fresh calibration, from then over time it deteriorates until it calibtrates again. The T-Ceptor PRO is a hybrid shutterless core, so continually calibrates based on the image. It also has the addition of a manual NUC shutter that can get the core back onto an immediate baseline if the image has been completely stationary for 5 minutes or more where the shutterless continual calibration can't work due to no changing information. In a rifle scope, this is a highly unlikely situation.
Hopefully that helps.
Cheers
Clive
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Interesting.
Clive could this unit be used as a spotter. Also could it be used as a spotter then quickly attached to a rifle and hold repeatable zero
MJ,
Do not current ones come drilled and tapped for a Pic rail? I was under the impression that all the T3X variants now come D&T'ed for a rail (with the CTR and others coming with the rail already in place). Maybe that's just for the U.S. market?
Completely agree that they should (by default) come with a pic rail; it's pretty much the standard these days.
Hi rem284,
It can certainly be used as a spotter. It's very compact.
With suitable mounts it can. For the fastest and easiest quick attachment to the rifle, I would suggest a swing off mount, rather than a Picatinny type as it would be difficult to locate the exact slot on the rail quickly, especially in the dark!
With a swing off mount you just locate the front mount in the hole in the front base and rotate it onto the rifle. We can supply the scope with this sort of mounting system.
Cheers
Clive
Concur with Bruce. One rail to rule them all.
Hi All,
The question of zeroing was asked elsewhere so I thought an explanation of the process might be useful...
Zeroing is really straightforward. It doesn't freeze frame, but does keep the reticule in it's original position, and then super-imposes another reticule as you start to adjust to predict the new reticule position. It also displays current and new co-ordinates so you don't get lost or confused.
Easiest way to zero is use a 20mm foil square as the aim point. Then shoot a zeroing group. On that group on the target, cover it with another 20mm foil square. Return to the rifle and while keeping the original reticule on the target centre, move the new reticule to the group position. Easy peasy.
There are also 6 memory positions for different rifles or ammunition types.
Cheers
Clive
The question of zeroing was asked elsewhere so I thought an explanation of the process might be useful...
Zeroing is really straightforward. It doesn't freeze frame, but does keep the reticule in it's original position, and then super-imposes another reticule as you start to adjust to predict the new reticule position. It also displays current and new co-ordinates so you don't get lost or confused.
Easiest way to zero is use a 20mm foil square as the aim point. Then shoot a zeroing group. On that group on the target, cover it with another 20mm foil square. Return to the rifle and while keeping the original reticule on the target centre, move the new reticule to the group position. Easy peasy.
There are also 6 memory positions for different rifles or ammunition types.
Cheers
Clive
Hi All,
We've had some questions regarding availability on these.
We have another production run planned for this coming week, but these have already all been sold.
The next availability will be on the subsequent run planned for 2 weeks time.
My best advice would be to get the order on and we can get it allocated to the manufacturing for you and sent out as quickly as possible.
Cheers
Clive
We've had some questions regarding availability on these.
We have another production run planned for this coming week, but these have already all been sold.
The next availability will be on the subsequent run planned for 2 weeks time.
My best advice would be to get the order on and we can get it allocated to the manufacturing for you and sent out as quickly as possible.
Cheers
Clive
Im in a similar situation. Been looking at pulsar thermion and trail 2 now this it's a difficult one to know what to go for!
Hi Chris,Im in a similar situation. Been looking at pulsar thermion and trail 2 now this it's a difficult one to know what to go for!
This still holds true of comparison with any 50mm 17 micron scope:
It just depends if an LRF, WiFi or built in recording are more important than a massive increase in image quality, with no freezing with the T-Ceptor PRO?
Cheers
Clive
I have a range finder on my accolades so not important just want the best image possible.
Chris
Hi All,
I know a lot of people have been waiting for this, and I have finally managed to get time to get some proper field use video of the new scope.
This gives a good idea of the capabilities, even with the lower quality of the analogue video, compared to the crispness of the 1024x768 OLED display.
It's a long video, but well worth a considered watch in HD and full screen.
Cheers
Clive
I know a lot of people have been waiting for this, and I have finally managed to get time to get some proper field use video of the new scope.
This gives a good idea of the capabilities, even with the lower quality of the analogue video, compared to the crispness of the 1024x768 OLED display.
It's a long video, but well worth a considered watch in HD and full screen.
Cheers
Clive
John Gryphon
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Clive can you advise as to recoil tolerances,IE will these scopes handle the big bangers recoil?
What would you rate them too?
Apols if its been covered but I didnt read every reply.
What would you rate them too?
Apols if its been covered but I didnt read every reply.
I got my scope on friday
It has 3 reticle colours of black, white and then that one that mixes black and white.
I can only think its for use when shooting on a different pallet colour?
I thought mine was broken until i discovered i had set the wrong colour and made life really difficult when i shot the fox on black hot and my "white" reticle turned black when on the fox body
.Hi John,
They are rated for 500g of acceleration. Acceleration of the rifle is a factor of bullet weight, speed and rifle weight, also support of the rifle.
The calcs for a .30-06 sporting rifle are around 500g, if the rifle is allowed to free recoil, i.e. no shooter behind it dampening the acceleration. In the shoulder, the acceleration will be much less. The same value is true for a .50BMG chambered rifle, again free recoiling.
Essentially it will be fine with any rifle that you can fire without injuring yourself. In practical use, most shoulder fired centre fire rifles are in the region of 150-250g.
Cheers
Clive
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