New Forest Negligent Discharge

[muddy42]

Hi @countrryboy I did say in my post that the photo of the grid didnt correspond to the photo of the OS Map. The grid is somewhere in central London- no deer there!

Im also not trying to start a comparison to W3W. its great.

A screenshot of an OS map is a quick and easy way to show someone where you have left a deer. I would use W3W for the emergency services.

have a good evening.

 

[Free range rob]

I do wish you lot would go on the w3w thread instead of derailing this one

 

[cjm1066]

When instructing you have to be remembered, I use the 3 rules of gun safety.

1 muzzle awareness, if it is not pointed at anything you value it can't hurt it.

2 Gun empty, except when in use.

3 Never tell the wife how much it cost.

Alas that is starting to seem old fashioned, I mean partner significant other etc etc.

 

[User00025]

Seen two bad ones in my life and several not quite as bad.
First one when like someone else on this thread I was 14. Bad error by another youngster with bolt action .410, hit the farmworker on the binder in the neck. Unfortunately hit major blood vessel from which wound he died.
Second was whilst on an op, weapons loaded, being carried mainly at the trail, a round went off just missed me actually cutting a hole through trews. (Still not sure whether intentional or not). That F..d everything and it was a get out whichever way you can.
There was another whilst I was a member of a well known club, but we won't mention that.

 

[Ade8mm]

Interesting TFH. I have found, over the years, that former Squaddies are the very worst in the Sporting field where "muzzle awareness" is concerned.
I think it must come from an unfailing belief in the power of a "safety",
and years of mindless drill
Either way when a former military man comes near me when out shooting I am more "on guard" than otherwise.

 

[User00025]

Interesting TFH. I have found, over the years, that former Squaddies are the very worst in the Sporting field where "muzzle awareness" is concerned.
I think it must come from an unfailing belief in the power of a "safety",
and years of mindless drill
Either way when a former military man comes near me when out shooting I am more "on guard" than otherwise.

I take it I won't get an invite to your next shoot then.

 

[Jamouk]

I would like to get my hands on a copy of it again for my man cave

Its framed on my sons wall !

 

[JDay98]

Wow, this has certainly been an eye opening and educational thread to read from a novice’s perspective. I never would have guessed ND were prevalent enough for most shooters to experience one at some point. That being said, if muzzle awareness is at the forefront of one’s mind risk of injury or worse should be reduced. Big fan of that “If you’re so confident, put it on your mouth” comeback!

 

[Woodsmoke]

I never would have guessed ND were prevalent enough for most shooters to experience one at some point. That being said, if muzzle awareness is at the forefront of one’s mind risk of injury or worse should be reduced.

They can, and do happen. Just as you say though, muzzle awareness is key

 

[JDay98]

They can, and do happen. Just as you say though, muzzle awareness is key

I was in the army cadets when I was a teenager so did quite a lot of shooting on ranges run by military and ex military staff... my god it was drilled in to us. Ironically though, often the punishment was “rifle drill” for lack of muzzle awareness... that involved holding the rifle outstretched with one arm at various angles for an unspecified period of time... that and a well earned beasting

 

[gixer1]

It hurts nobody to be reminded that all of us are fallible. An ND will happen at some point if you're around firearms for long enough. Muzzle awareness at all times and keeping the rifle pointed to a safe area when loading/unloading goes a long, long way to mitigating the outcome of an event . . . .

Some useful food for thought here:

Humble Pie

I was always told that there were two kinds of shooters. . . . .those who have had an ND, and those who will have an ND! I'd always pooh-poohed this assertion as I consider myself a very safe and pretty competent gun. Backstops are non-negotiable, muzzle awareness the same, rifle is unloaded...

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

Negligent or accidental discharge fear

Hi all. Just had a quick search on here and have read a few posts/opinions on the subject. One was very interesting in that a few members admitted to it happening to them and were brave enough to explain it all in detail. Scary but reassuring and helpful as well. Some even went so far as to...

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

Had it happen with a 30-06, scared the bejesus out of me, turned out to be the trigger assembly came loose and as I closed the bolt to chamber a round it fired....thankful it was pointing up in the air as I was with 3 people...it was changer FOC by the RFD.

As you say, it’s more a case of when rather than if. Saw a friend have exactly the same with a CZ452, you closed the bolt and the gun fired...

I know of a guy in Helmsdale that was shot with a 270 when crawling in front of a client and also a gamekeeper who accidentally shot his wife through a car door, house door and living room door.

Hope this guy recovers fully. Both the guide and shooter.

regards,
Gixer

 

[kripton]

Had an ND happen to me with a Webley Mark Three .22 air rifle in the kitchen - muzzle was pointed towards the ceiling but my eldest son (his sense of humour?) now lives there has framed the hole rather than plastering over it - reminds me every time I visit !!

 

[Mike L]

I shot myself in the throat with an air rifle when I was 8 or 9, I put a target up on a heavy oak barn door, fired, and the pellet hit the target and rebounded straight to my throat, gave me hell of a bruise for a while!!!

 

[Woodsmoke]

I shot myself in the throat with an air rifle when I was 8 or 9, I put a target up on a heavy oak barn door, fired, and the pellet hit the target and rebounded straight to my throat, gave me hell of a bruise for a while!!!

I had similar as a kid. Shot at a rabbit beside an old railway line. Missed it, but the pellet (last time I ever used Prometheus! ) rebounded and hit me just above the eye

 

[hogey]

Have seen a nice .22 hole in the roof rack bar on a car where the owner forgot that the barrel and scope line to target are not the same.

Guilty of that one with my HMR

 

[London Jaeger]

I had similar as a kid. Shot at a rabbit beside an old railway line. Missed it, but the pellet (last time I ever used Prometheus! ) rebounded and hit me just above the eClassic

I feel most kids growing up with air guns has a scar somewhere from them. I was shooting targets nailed to a fence post and had a pellet ricochet off and bury itself just under my skin of my calf. I panicked, didn't tell my parents and it got infected. I now have a little scar to remind my of my stupidity.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Even you tube has numpties doing it.

 

[PaulCat]

Using w3w u will likely have to spell every word phonetically, many off he words have more than 8 letters.

I'm really not being sarcastic but from this and some other parts of your comments I can see why you'd want to stay away from having to spell words. I know some who are dyslexic find numbers easier to handle than words.

 

[lillico]

Worked in Bihac during the 90's as a JCO and we got a call to co-ordinate an air Casevac.
A Dutch liaison officer's driver had been practicing his 'quick draw' with a Glock and put a round through his knee.
The Bosnian medics said they would've just took the lower leg off; too much work involved.
He was flown to Ramstein I think and kept the limb.
Our female interpreters were devastated, they had designs on him at our next house party.

 

[StephenToast]

I should add that the first ND was with a great guy who comes stalking with me every year. The rifle is a Blaser R8 and was locked into a secure tripod. Having just shot a pricket the rifle had been reloaded and was secure in the tripod (one of these new ones costing about £400) The client has reloaded as there was a chance of a second beast.
The first beast dropped to the shot, the second ran without a chance of a second shot. After watching the shot beast for a few seconds the client touched the end of the stock of the Blaser and it discharged into the wood. Scared the crap out of me. This is one of the reasons I dont like Blasers.

The second time was about 6 weeks later with another client. Having finished stalking in one wood for Fallow, I stepped over a low wire fence, the client dropped the floor plate out of the rifle and stepped over also, he then put the mag back in and as I was describing where we were going next pulled the trigger. He had forgotten he had a round in the chamber and ND the weapon about 18inches from my left foot!!

He was mortified, I was not too happy, and glad I still had my foot intact and not blown off with a 30.06.

Having guided all my stalking life, it comes as no surprise that one gets to see all sorts. Its rare that I refuse anyone back. But one needs to have eyes in the back of your head with some people, usually the ones that lay claim to have shot everything and never miss. A mistake with any firearm is usually not going to go well, and quite often I have to tell people to point the barrel at the floor when loading or unloading. And to take the bolt out of the rifle before entering my vehicle. These are basic safety requirements for handling any weapon.

I don't understand how the first ND happened. He touched the end of the stock? So he wasn't waiting with it in his shoulder but loaded?