A cautionary tale...

spannulman

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There have been a few threads on SD about what people carry when stalking. Some take the kitchen sink and others just a knife or many points between the two. I use either a very small day sac or the pockets of a shooting weskit to carry the few items I have- some latex gloves, bit of loo roll, head torch, 5 rnds spare ammo, a strobe light ( the kind you’d use to guide helicopter in with) and a mini 1st aid kit which is some vac packed lengths of celox gauze and a few alcohol wipes. I don’t carry a full 1st aid kit but am concerned about cutting myself as that’s probably the most likely injury to occur.

Anyhow, friday evening, I shot a good buck about 120 yd into a swampy, overgrown clearfell at the bottom of a brae. It was well before nightfall but in an area of the ground where there is no mobile signal. I left my hat and binos at the edge of the track so it would at least indicate the area where I was ( my gf was knitting up at the hut) and I went to recover it. The shot was good, it lay where it stood, at the far side of a thick alder and willow patch. He was lousy with ticks, dozens of them so I thought I would skin him there to avoid carrying that infested beast on my back up the brae. I’ve seen them do it on tv, how hard can it be?

It turns out it is much harder than when the beast is hanging upside down. A red deer might have been simpler as you wouldn’t need to bend down so far but it was a different technique, and I was not as competent as normal and, whilst pulling skin away and trying to get the armpit exposed to then just pull it off I sliced my index finger badly.

The realisation took me by surprise. I’m out of signal, heart pumping and have a tough scramble just to get up to the track, then a mile up hill to my car, and half a mile the same direction until I get mobile signal. And I’m probably a fair while before an ambulance could get to me if I didn’t drive myself. Then the FAW+F training kicks in, you know what needs to be done. Clean it as best I can and get the gauze into it. the stuff worked a treat, I put a latex glove over it and finished the gralloch ok, had a crawl up a 45 degree brae with the beast then fetched the car to come back for it. A cold beer and a good wash of the hand and new dressings and no real harm done.

But the incident has given me a bit of a wake up call. I work in H&S and think I do already consider the risks. Indeed, my kit was adequate for the situation but it made me think of what could happen if you aren’t prepared. The thread on here talking about what 3 words is useful too, the time to think about grid refs or how to give your location to 999 operator is at home, before you stalk, not whilst bleeding profusely, out in the ulu, miles from help or phone signal.

My reason for sharing? To say that you don’t need to take a 100lb Medic pack with you but some small things could make a big difference. My first aid ’kit’ would fit in a 10 pack fag packet but meant I could stay put and finish the task and get back ok, rather than abandoning beast and kit and going for help. And do your risk assessment and planning before you start. Does anyone know your ‘flight plan’, what do you do if comms aren’t going to work? Do you have a way of attracting attention? The strobe would get you seen at night from some distance, assuming someone is looking for you or even there to see it. I don’t have all the answers at all but this near miss made me reevaluate what I do to ensure it is Suitable and sufficient.

And finally, the celox gauze dressings are great. When I washed the wound at the hut it started bleeding strongly again as the crystals were washed out of it but stopped again quickly when reapplied. Not expensive an investment even if you never use it. And worth more than a few quid if you ever do!
 
I keep a cut resistant glove in my stalking wasitpack for such times. When the light is bad and I am tired, its when accidents happen. I am sure we all have our own little handy things that works for us which may not be part of a standard stalking pack. Another one I have heard of is an old golf ball and a plastic tie as it makes the skinning a lot easier as you have something to hold onto.

Anyway thanks for the writeup and does make us think on having a plan for when things go south. Hope your finger is allrite and is recovering well.
 
Good write up and highlights the need to think about what we carry and how prepared we are for eventualities.
I also use a cut resistant glove when gralloching, it has definitely proved its worth once or twice already. Also wear it when skinning and butchering.

Another point is to periodically (annually maybe) check on your med kit and make sure it's still serviceable and replace anything that has expired or spoiled.
 
Some good points as far as first aid , but why oh why did you think to skin it where you shot it , I would rather have risked
the ticks than skinned it in situ.
Also not much chance of keeping the carcass clean if you are going to have to carry it that far, did you have a roe sack?
If you did than it would have kept you semi isolated from the ticks if not you were never going to carry it that distance without putting it down for a breather ,try laying a skinned carcass on the ground and keeping it clean .
I remember having to cape a red stag on the hill that was a nightmare trying to keep the carcass clean while retrieving it
and that was only the neck and shoulders that were skinned.
 
Always good to be reminded how things can go badly wrong and in a blink of an eye.

What this incident particularly reminds me to ensure when using a knife on a beast in the woods is to never rush and when things get difficult make a conscious effort to stop what you’re doing and take a deep breath. It’s so easy to become agitated (heart rate increased) by a lack of progress and convince yourself of the need to work faster as the way out of the problem at hand.

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Some good points as far as first aid , but why oh why did you think to skin it where you shot it , I would rather have risked
the ticks than skinned it in situ.
Also not much chance of keeping the carcass clean if you are going to have to carry it that far, did you have a roe sack?
If you did than it would have kept you semi isolated from the ticks if not you were never going to carry it that distance without putting it down for a breather ,try laying a skinned carcass on the ground and keeping it clean .
I remember having to cape a red stag on the hill that was a nightmare trying to keep the carcass clean while retrieving it
and that was only the neck and shoulders that were skinned.
You ask a valid questîon and it pains me to admit I don’t know what I was thinking. I carry a cheap,Decathlon roe sack in a pocket and that’s what I put it in. So why didn’t I put it in there and just shake it out afterwards or wash it? I just thought I would separate it from the verminous skin asap.

with hindsight you are right, and as others have said, it’s doing something different to the norm or rushing when the wheels might come off. Using a long bladed knife wasn’t ideal either. I usually skin with a shorter knife with a fat, rounded tip. Not a 6” blade that is shaving sharp. Lots of things for me to reflect on. But it highlights the need to think about first aid and the value of the FAW+F course. I don’t plan on doing this again!
 
I am definitely the opposite of the kitchen sink carriers on sd. I like nothing better than walking out the door with the minimum kit. I find it hilarious that some people say they take saws or gun cleaning rods out with with them. I have never needed either in 22 years of stalking so I am prepred to take my chances.

That said, i have had cuts and have found a way to stash a first aid kit in my binos pouch.

I have found larger knives with a decent finger guard much safer though.

I have to say, I would never skin a deer in the field though, however bad the ticks were.
 
This is a very interesting thread but I am still mystified by the what 3 words thing.
I had had never heard of it till a week ago. Where do we get it from. Is it an app or something?
Also more info on that gauze would be useful and what were the crystals mentioned please.
 
Yep, been there done that only I cleverly did it whilst filling a feeder. I had just updated my first aid kit the week before but found out the hard way just how difficult it is to open the kit and access the various pieces in their protective bags whilst holding up in the air a very good impression of Vesuvius. Also not a recommended way to check if blood thinners are effective!
Scared the bejasus out of me but I was well prepared.
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Verminous skin! Going to use that for the ones that are crawling.

I carry a small tube of super glue, but celox gauze would be better, not sure about vac sealing it because fumbling to cut it open with a grotty dear knife whilst leaking copiously sounds frustrating, anyway will add to my kit.

Seriously, drag the thing or stick it in a bag.
 
it’s doing something different to the norm or rushing when the wheels might come off.
Thanks for a really helpful and thought-provoking post.
A great reminder that the difference between responding successfully to a changing situation and heading for trouble will so often be a combination of pausing that extra minute to reflect on how high the stack of unforseens has become, and reducing the impact of that stack by previously assessing the foreseeable risks and preparing to meet them. Your prior preparation got you out of that fix, and subsequent reflection has shown you how you could have avoided and further mitigated a mistake. Sharing your experiences will help others, too. I'm really glad you're OK and really appreciate you sharing the lesson.
 
I always carry a Kevlar glove put a nitrile glove over it on your left hand (or right if your left handed). Saves fingers and costs a fiver!
 
This is a very interesting thread but I am still mystified by the what 3 words thing.
I had had never heard of it till a week ago. Where do we get it from. Is it an app or something?
Also more info on that gauze would be useful and what were the crystals mentioned please.
W3w is an app, free to install and simple to use. You just look at the three words it gives for your location and share that with whoever needs to find you. Just google it or look on your phone App Store.

the celox gauze is just a type of impregnated bandage used by the military. Some other names are ‘Israeli bandage’ or Dressing. They Are military field dressings which vary in size. I got the gauze which is a long strip of folded material with the anticoagulant impregnation. The idea being to pack it into a large wound to stop the bleeding.

i cut the gauze into smaller lengths and seal it in vac pack machine, about the size of sauce sachets at the chip shop.i make a wee nick in the side so I can tear it open when needed. I would expect my need to be small cuts usually, not gunshot wounds, so cutting one into Useable or suitable pieces is what I do. They are not cheap but you don’t need loads, hopefully you won’t need it at all. But one pack of gauze or dressing can be cut into loads of smaller parts which fit into a pocket.

hope this helps
 
Would someone mind putting some links to the products you carry. I had a look on the Celox website and can only see huge dressings to stem massive trauma. Or a sachet of granules with no bandage.

Do they do a sensible size unit for hand size cuts?
 
Skinned many a roe where it fell chaps .Our US cousins arnt the only ones to pack out lol.Backpack ,large plastic bags ,small chest saw and knife .Why cart back what’s going in the bin .Front legs ,back legs ,straps and ribs .
The question of cuts though raises the competancy issue .I see lads cutting towards themselves during the gralloch so stands to reason anything unfamiliar like a full field butchery would incur bad practice .
I get time I’ll do a pic by pic of a carcass break up and pack .
regards UTNG
 
Skinned many a roe where it fell chaps .Our US cousins arnt the only ones to pack out lol.Backpack ,large plastic bags ,small chest saw and knife .Why cart back what’s going in the bin .Front legs ,back legs ,straps and ribs .
The question of cuts though raises the competancy issue .I see lads cutting towards themselves during the gralloch so stands to reason anything unfamiliar like a full field butchery would incur bad practice .
I get time I’ll do a pic by pic of a carcass break up and pack .
regards UTNG
The step by step guide would be much appreciated, thanks.
 
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