Chikentikka
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collies worst for me, knew one for years went to stroke it one day and took a chunk out my lip, too much inbreeding? a guy near me has a dogo argentino (banned i believe) it plays with my dog fine always wants a fuss.
Dog breeds pre-disposed to aggression?
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Rob-E
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I have a GSD socialised since a puppy and now terrified of other dogs because of the amount she has been attacked by small **** dogs. The response I am bored hearing of is “My dog doesn’t like German Shepherds”. I’m not convinced dogs actually know different dog breeds but instead have learnt that their owner is scared of German Shepherds and pick up the fear from them and so go psycho on seeing her.
foxdropper
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Dogs do recognise breeds mate .My oldest terrier here now was picked up by a lab and shaken when she was a pup and since she started working has waged war on the type .Only black labs .
If a larger dog comes up to a smaller one with confidence and towers over it looking for submission ,you have to expect a certain amount of small dogs ain’t going to take it and first response is fight .Most dog fights are noise and nothing else with no harm done bar pride .It’s the meaningful slashing and holds that do the damage ,usually minimal noise .
If a larger dog comes up to a smaller one with confidence and towers over it looking for submission ,you have to expect a certain amount of small dogs ain’t going to take it and first response is fight .Most dog fights are noise and nothing else with no harm done bar pride .It’s the meaningful slashing and holds that do the damage ,usually minimal noise .
phillips321
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My two have pat blood in them and i use them for trails. The Jagd x Pat is a bloody good dog on the blood trails but is hard mouthed when it comes to retriveing.
I have two GSD’s. I am fed up of constantly hearing how ‘my dog was attacked by an Alsatian’, there must be packs of marauding Alsations out there attacking every dog they see, funny I’ve never come across them. My usual response is “ no problem these are German Shepherds”. I find Staffi, Dobi and Rotti owners also regularly hear the same sort of tosh.
Why do I regularly hear, from some small dog owners, they will eat you for breakfast? To which I normally respond, “ no they’ve eaten” or “good they can use your extendable lead as dental floss” usually results in owners scampering off.
My dogs do seem to react differently when they see other GSD’s, but then I probably do as well.
Most dog aggression, though not all, stems from nervousness and anxiety usually caused by failure to properly socialise, of which owners own prejudices play an important role.
Thank you every one for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
foxdropper
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Nervous up the lead ,nervous down the lead .
My fiancé’s sausage dog has bitten 2 people (not badly), our mortgage advisor and my brother
! He’s normally a grand wee dog but very aggressive to folks he doesn’t know (standard for breed) buts as he’s so small and bonny people instantly go to stroke him mid tirade. They wouldn’t do that to a Doberman so their doing! A mate used to shoot on a syndicate where someone brought a large male teckle who would sit on the same chair in the shoot hut, no one would ever try to move it!I’ve seen some pretty bad bites from malanois and GSD. One of the latter was 45kg and could really spoil your day, it’s funny I think most hardened criminals feel they’ll have an answer for the dogs…spoiler alert…..they don’t. Saw someone get their hamstring pulled away by a staff, not a breed to be trifled with.
Personally I never trust a collie. One of my shoot farms the farmers had a collie that had to be put down at 3. It would run at you full pelt and flip itself on its head at the end of the chain. Got me by the welly once. If you fronted it up it’d back off but the second you turned it ran at you, wretched thing.
nun_hunter
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Problem is that dogs don't what size they are! Little dogs will have a pop at a dog 4x their weight and would lose every day of the week if the bigger dog actually fought back and bigger dogs don't realise that their size intimidates other dogs and people. The issue is the owners who let a little dog get away with aggression and biting or jumping up and sitting on their lap because it looks cute and funny but Ann owner of a big dog generally won't tolerate that at all.
I've now got an American Bulldog and he is a big boy and full of energy at 9 months old. I'm fully aware of how others perceive him and how his desperation to see other dogs and play can look to their owners and so I have to deal with him (and them accordingly and keep him under control) differently to how I see most happy toy breeds being walked with zero control of concern and loads of overt aggression shown to all other dogs but just laughed off.
Whilst not directly related to the original question but the latest stats for dog on human fatality statistics from the USA. I am trying to collect similar results for the UK . UK results would almost certainly be different as the Pit Bull is a banned breed and not freely available, not to say they're not out there.
Pit bull - 72% (33)
Unreleased/unknown - 13% (6)
American Bulldog; GSD; Mastiff/Bull Mastiff; and mixed breed - 4% (2) each
Other breeds 2%, one per five different breeds.
When breed was known only 3 deaths did not involve bull breed or mastiff type dogs.
An 11 year report released by New York City Police dept in 2008 showed that when dangerous dogs are shot, by police, 72% were Pit Bulls followed by Rottweilers with 10%.
Pit bull - 72% (33)
Unreleased/unknown - 13% (6)
American Bulldog; GSD; Mastiff/Bull Mastiff; and mixed breed - 4% (2) each
Other breeds 2%, one per five different breeds.
When breed was known only 3 deaths did not involve bull breed or mastiff type dogs.
An 11 year report released by New York City Police dept in 2008 showed that when dangerous dogs are shot, by police, 72% were Pit Bulls followed by Rottweilers with 10%.
Rasputin
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My cocker doesn’t like GSDs no history of attack but next door had a very old one with a back problem that made him walk funny , was very friendly and I think when they were on the yard he would just back the cocker up against a wall to say hello and my cocker took umbridge and has hence forth not liked them.
Could this be because labs outnumber virtually all other breeds ? Also bad breeding and clueless owners of their “fur babies”
worst in my experience farm collies mostly all in one way or another and not to be trusted, and two black labs who got their owners into much hot water, both destroyed in the end. also one very large black terrier from Ireland that i did not rear which turned on me after been separated whilst attacking one of my spaniels it was scary! needless to say it had no future with me.
Norfolk Horn
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I had a Clumber spaniel go for me yesterday. Now I have friends who breed these and they were all soft things, this one is rehomed as the first owners didn't trust it with the children. The new owners have had pleanty of dogs before (not well trained) this new clumber literally flew at me when it came running from the garden while I was talking to its owner.
The owners response was to tell him to sit for a treat, talk about mixed messages then to put him in the house
I persuaded her to get him out and I put him through his pacces and then the bugger still growls at me.
As the owner was there and she was giving him the bless him bit from a far I couldn't move to step two of respect training.
So is he a bad one or got away with bad things for to long.
This dog knows me as I visit the property daily to check my sheep and get him to sit over the fence and give him a sheep nut along with their other dog.
Now he is intact but had the chemical castration a few weeks ago now. The vet and the dog behaviourist say he is fearful but they see him at the vets. I think he doesn't know his place and is in need of some good structured training instead of tit bits and flexi lead walks.
The owners response was to tell him to sit for a treat, talk about mixed messages then to put him in the house
I persuaded her to get him out and I put him through his pacces and then the bugger still growls at me.
As the owner was there and she was giving him the bless him bit from a far I couldn't move to step two of respect training.
So is he a bad one or got away with bad things for to long.
This dog knows me as I visit the property daily to check my sheep and get him to sit over the fence and give him a sheep nut along with their other dog.
Now he is intact but had the chemical castration a few weeks ago now. The vet and the dog behaviourist say he is fearful but they see him at the vets. I think he doesn't know his place and is in need of some good structured training instead of tit bits and flexi lead walks.
Probably not at all related, but my other half came back from ringcraft class last night and was saying there was a clumber there that had taken a liking to biting people!
Not had anything to do with them myself, just funny to hear of two in the same day.
Whenever this has been gathered in the past the birder collie is right up there on the bite list and then whatever is very fashionable at the time , poor old German shepherd faired poorly in the 70s but that was because of numbers not percentages , 80s lots of rotties .
Lies damb lies and then statistics
Lies damb lies and then statistics
Interestingly I have been bitten by
Boxer x1
Various terriers x3
GWP X1
Collie x2
I have had a lot of exposure to English bull terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers and pit bulls . Never had so much as a scratch
Boxer x1
Various terriers x3
GWP X1
Collie x2
I have had a lot of exposure to English bull terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers and pit bulls . Never had so much as a scratch
hughsurrey
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Having owned multiple GSDs, a Rottwieller, a Collie and handled lots of 'Dangerous breeds' (most of them rescues dogs), I have never been bitten by a dog. I will also say that, the 'my dog is scared of alsations' is usually the owner of the dog is nervous of GSDs and transmits that fear to the dog they are in control of (in line with the quote above), nervous owner makes for a fight or flight reaction in the dog.
foxdropper
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Dogs do remember situations though .Dog of mine hates black labs .Got picked up as a pup and shaken .I recognise the signs in my terriers though way before it kicks off and act accordingly .
Collies get my vote. We used to holiday on a Devon dairy farm when I was little and the farm collie used to be very friendly when the farmer was there but nip you as soon as he turned his back.
Then our dog was torn open by one last year on his flank for no good reason. I wouldn't trust one an inch....
Then our dog was torn open by one last year on his flank for no good reason. I wouldn't trust one an inch....
Having been bitten 7 times now , only one was mine and it was the longest lived of the litter I learned after the fact . Gwp absolutely nothing I could have done training wise and I even went so far as to send it off to the man is the most respected in the field .
It's not always about how you bring them up , there is also an amount of genetics . The dog in question was actually having a type of fit when exited
My work once put me in contact with multiple different dogs in the course of a day at that time. Your very lucky to never have been bitten if your constantly exposed to unknown dogs and there are a few reasons a dog might bite not all of them being the victims nervousness
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