Greta…

[gixer1]

Its only because no one thought of it

Me too…wouldn’t do it again….and would not give more than 1 star on trust pilot… I had the “we’ll see if we can do both tubes through the one hole by pulling it over”…..I had no idea my teste tube was liked to my lung…felt like I was being gralloched…

So I’ve done my bit…

 

[Alantoo]

Anyone prepared to discuss?

Green Party may be...they were the only UK party to include the issue in their manifesto a couple of decades ago when I read through them all...along with insulation being the first thing to address as a way to help with the energy problems and give local employment....both of which I have remembered as being fairly logical...strangely MSM has only ever touted recycling and renewables as representing their views.

Alan

 

[Ade8mm]

If you mean food resources then generally speaking , the world is quite capable of feeding itself, and at least 50 % more, in the next 20 -30 years , we shall find out, unless covid 25 makes me a liar !

North America (the US and Canada) , if farmed properly could likely feed the world on its own if needs be, it wouldnt be the most interesting diet, but it would ward off starvation.
So why do people in African countries ect end up in Famine and starvation ? Is Africa as a continent not capable of feeding its populace ? Of course it is , but like North America feeding the world, it chooses not to , for political or economic reasons.
Poor farming practices, war or cultural issues are the real drivers , whilst over population means more mouths to feed, more hands tend , normally to boost the labour force necessary to produce food.
Ethiopia ect in the 70s and 80s never seemed to be out of famine and starvation , yet a good deal of the country is not an arid desert, but fairly water rich , and cool in the higher mountainous areas.

You often hear of Zimbabwe and SA being the bread basket of Africa, the land is literally perfectly adequate to feed the continent , thats when its managed properly, but hey , thats another story...

The Irish potato famine in the 1840s , was believe it or not , NOT caused by the English starving the Irish to death deliberately (Fair hill will be along shortly to correct me on that) but principally , poor farming practice, based on the insistence of growing one crop , they actually knew the blight was coming 5 years before , but did nothing to diversify (the whole of Europe had the blight)
It didnt help that the population of Ireland at the time was 8 million, 2 million more than it is now.
There are extenuating issues of how the land was managed by the landlords and agents, but if there were no tenants , because they had been deliberately starved to death , theres also no rents being paid.
The fact is , if the land had been used right, it should never have happened.

In summary, its not a huge point, but food wise, the world could be fed with no issues.
If they all want to eat steak, maybe not, or if they all want a big house with internet and a Ferrari outside , then no.
But nobody need starve, the fact that people do, is a lot more of a crisis than getting to net zero carbon (Whatever that even means )

To add. A warmer planet means ?

Grow more food.

Crops (food) grow better when it is warm(er)

Given (that) no credence is being given to exponential human population growth (apropos COP 26... see above post no 59)

IF our planet warms up more food can be grown. Needed for the burgeoning population..

Yes crop diseases will also rise, like the Sun . (subtle Hemingway reference there )

All life flourishes in warmth.

The greenies wont want chemicals to treat possible crop disease (Probably the same people who wont take the covid drugs - drugs not vaccines btw)

The same people who will not tolerate nuclear power, etc (which would be a possible solution _ another Elephant???)

What people will cannot discuss (as they are blocked/cancelled and so on ) is the real possibility that the planet will get colder.

That is not a nice prospect.

A cooling planet is **** for mammals (us) , and this will happen at some point.

Some of us take a step back and assess.

We do not get caught up in the diatribe.

Sadly we are but few.

 

[Rewulf]

To add. A warmer planet means ?

Grow more food.

Crops (food) grow better when it is warm(er)

Also more CO2 = Better crop growth, but we are being slowly conditioned to CO2 being an evil gas , its as essential to plant life , and by extension , us , as O2 is to us also.
Its a known fact that CO2 levels on the planet were 10 x higher than what they are now, yet life continued....

Given (that) no credence is being given to exponential human population growth (apropos COP 26... see above post no 59) This must surely be a good thing?

Talking of population 'control' gets the plebs nervous, its a bit of a vote loser
Western nations barely maintain their populations without immigration, our birth rates are so low, yet 3rd world countries seem to want to produce as many kids as their womens uterus's can handle ...

Yes crop diseases may rise, but the greenies wont want chemicals to treat possible crop disease (Probably the same people who wont take the covid drugs - drugs not vaccines btw)
The same people who will not tolerate nuclear power, etc (which would be a possible solution _ another Elephant???)

This really is a large elephant, nuclear power has really moved on , and the dream of cold fusion always seems a tantalising small step away..
Then we have new thorium ideas, high pressure reactors ect , its not cheap , buts its pretty green, and produces plenty of power, its the answer to all of Gretas prayers.....
Buuuuut , we dont want that , we want everyone to stop eating meat and walk to work, Oh and youre not allowed to fly around the world anymore, you can sail if you like , like Greta.

What people will not discuss (as they are blocked/cancelled) is the real possibility that the planet will get colder.

That is not a nice prospect.

Very much so .
Ice ages , while not happening overnight, are a sure fire way of reducing population, imagine the only habitable parts of the world being around the equatorial tropics?

We have the tech to survive a 2 -3 C heat increase, we could introduce large scale hydroponics , even work to shield us from the sun if necessary , these things are within scientific ability.
But its a bit difficult growing food or grazing cattle, when theres a metre of snow down , and a glacier forming on the high ground.

 

[Ade8mm]

Hydroponics. I did my year 4 dissertation on Hydroponics at Agri-College in 1983.

Completely phased them. Probably the only reason I passed ..

 

[bowji john]

She is a Joan of Arc character

I'm far more interested in who is jerking the strings, why and what it means for me and mine

Not so interested in the message - nor the last 30 years of propaganda

I do remember lectures on strategic threats (as a junior and then middle ranking Naval Officer in the 80's) that talked about the end of oil, how it was going to fundamentally affect life styles and how to sell that change to the public without it causing social unrest

The two options suggested at the time were

To make a case based upon ....

1. Energy Security - the need to produce energy at home rather than rely on 3rd parties who's interests might not coincide with ours

or

2. Push an environmental agenda

Now it appears that the ''end of oil'' was somewhat exaggerated

However - we are now suffering the consequences of a 30 year propaganda war

People are all up for alternative energies as long as someone else pays

It will be interesting to see how people react when the real cost of this starts to land on the door mat

I'm reminded of a survey conducted a few years ago about the congestion on our roads

Most people were fully supportive of reducing cars on the road - however most people meant ''the car in front of them in the queue'' not themselves

I suspect it will be the same with this new religion

 

[Ade8mm]

She is a Joan of Arc character

I'm far more interested in who is jerking the strings, why and what it means for me and mine

Not so interested in the message - nor the last 30 years of propaganda

I do remember lectures on strategic threats (as a junior and then middle ranking Naval Officer in the 80's) that talked about the end of oil, how it was going to fundamentally affect life styles and how to sell that change to the public without it causing social unrest

The two options suggested at the time were

To make a case based upon ....

1. Energy Security - the need to produce energy at home rather than rely on 3rd parties who's interests might not coincide with ours

or

2. Push an environmental agenda

Now it appears that the ''end of oil'' was somewhat exaggerated

However - we are now suffering the consequences of a 30 year propaganda war

People are all up for alternative energies as long as someone else pays

It will be interesting to see how people react when the real cost of this starts to land on the door mat

I'm reminded of a survey conducted a few years ago about the congestion on our roads

Most people were fully supportive of reducing cars on the road - however most people meant ''the car in front of them in the queue'' not themselves

I suspect it will be the same with this new religion

Ah yes. "Peak oil" A mantra of the prepper doomsday merchants

Yet

Still no mention of "Peak population" which was given scarily given at 7 billion humans

That figure (7 billion) was passed in 2010

We are now 9 billion people plus , and still rising.

As a point of reference , global population in AD 1900 was about 1.6 billion

Only 121 years ago for those that need it made simple !

And that was after the Industrial Revolution - the thing that is blamed by many for the climate "10 to midnight crisis" as sound-bite Johnson called it)

The solution is now given to be *ground source heat pumps, electric cars and more taxation. (And keep buying crap from China )

Yeah right.

I look forward to an explanation of how all that will make a jot of difference.

Anyone?

* Neighbour of ours had an air source pump installed to heat his swimming pool. HRH The Prince of Wales heard about it and turned up to have a look as he was interested in such environmental matters. He came in a helicopter and 6 cars of personal protection people and flunkies turned up also. Glad I wasn't shooting squirrels that day!

This was about 16 years ago.

Clearly a man with no more self-awareness than the other self-interested jokers we saw in Glasgow .

PS the heat pump did not work, at all.

 

[User00035]

Have those preaching depopulation themselves had the snip ?

Plenty moan and preach, but go skiing, fly long haul and drive gas guzzlers. Ursula von der Leyen even took a flight for 31miles!

Never had children, never will. haven't been on a plane in fifteen years. Can't afford to waste money on gas guzzlers. I buy the most economical vehicle I can that will do the job (hard when you need a 4x4 for work, but I buy what's cheapest to run). Don't posses a car or have any four-wheeled vehicle for recreation. No point. I don't enjoy driving in grid-locked UK. My preferred mode of motorised transport is a motorcycle.
If I can, before I die, I would like to spend the last years on my life living completely off-grid with no communication with the modern world whatsoever, in a straw bale or cob house with a thatched roof, no mains services, no bills, no TV, no phone, no computer, not even a letterbox, and in complete solitude.
Will that do?

 

[308tikka]

Never had children, never will. haven't been on a plane in fifteen years. Can't afford to waste money on gas guzzlers. I buy the most economical vehicle I can that will do the job (hard when you need a 4x4 for work, but I buy what's cheapest to run). Don't posses a car or have any four-wheeled vehicle for recreation. No point. I don't enjoy driving in grid-locked UK. My preferred mode of motorised transport is a motorcycle.
If I can, before I die, I would like to spend the last years on my life living completely off-grid with no communication with the modern world whatsoever, in a straw bale or cob house with a thatched roof, no mains services, no bills, no TV, no phone, no computer, not even a letterbox, and in complete solitude.
Will that do?

Ive actually thought about a cob or adobe/rammed earth house.

Good for you - if you do as you say. Many, many dont.

 

[Jura]

I think that's precisely why she gets so much hostility. She's a puppet, a living, breathing stunt and everyone can see what's behind her.

Essential viewing, IMHO

 

[User00035]

Ive actually thought about a cob or adobe/rammed earth house.

Good for you - if you do as you say. Many, many dont.

If I don't. it won't be lack of ambition or will, it will be lack of money. To do that I will need to buy land and build the place. If I don't manage it and have at least a few years of freedom without worry, I will consider my life wasted. But unless you have money, in this jam-packed country, it is getting harder and harder to live without it or find anywhere to do it.

 

[bowji john]

Never had children, never will. haven't been on a plane in fifteen years. Can't afford to waste money on gas guzzlers. I buy the most economical vehicle I can that will do the job (hard when you need a 4x4 for work, but I buy what's cheapest to run). Don't posses a car or have any four-wheeled vehicle for recreation. No point. I don't enjoy driving in grid-locked UK. My preferred mode of motorised transport is a motorcycle.
If I can, before I die, I would like to spend the last years on my life living completely off-grid with no communication with the modern world whatsoever, in a straw bale or cob house with a thatched roof, no mains services, no bills, no TV, no phone, no computer, not even a letterbox, and in complete solitude.
Will that do?

I have much empathy with your comments

Hard to go completely off grid though

i guess we are close but reliable energy during winter months ain't easy - someone on here is going to help me with a hydro plant and if that works the grid can go and do one

Also

Much as you alluded to earlier - it really matters little how one lives - even African locals cooking on open fires and living in the bush have a huge environmental impact

The problem is 3.5 Billion when I was borne has now grown to 8 or 9 billion

We can commit economic suicide here in the UK and it will make not one jot of difference to the real issue

 

[Klenchblaize]

If I can, before I die, I would like to spend the last years on my life living completely off-grid with no communication with the modern world whatsoever, in a straw bale or cob house with a thatched roof, no mains services, no bills, no TV, no phone, no computer, not even a letterbox, and in complete solitude.

You’ll enjoy this:

K

 

[NP435]

I know, and that was why he only got second place.

My poor attempt at humour, I am afraid.

Yes my inner spell check failed me.

 

[mchughcb]

I thought I might inject some realism into the discussion.

A letter from Wood MacKenzie came across my desk this morning, written last week. They are saying to go to carbon neutral by 2050 will require the 19 Million additional tonnes of Copper over 20 years. This is the equivalent of the largest copper mine in the world Escondida to be found and producing every year for the next 19 years.

Anybody that has had to permit a mine will know, even before the money is raised for construction it will take anywhere from 5 to 20+ years or never to get a mine approved these days with First Nations, NGOs, corrupt governments, local banana communities (build absolutely nothing near anybody).

Here is the size of the Escondida mine which produces 1Mt of copper metal per year. There is no way my arse points to the ground even if we could find one of these per year, it will ever be permitted, let alone financed every year for the next 20 years.

This is where the idealist greenies are going to hit the cold hard truth of what they have sown.

 

[Klenchblaize]

We could lead the way and assist by reverting to lead ammo?

K

 

[Klenchblaize]

Well I know it’s from the Guardian which no doubt auto-qualifies for the SD ignore button, but who would ever have imagined we would fail to build-back greener post pandemic:
‘Reality check’: Global CO2 emissions shooting back to record levels
K

 

[kes]

Strictly a Greta comment -
David Koresh was a psychological programmer.
Greta, in my view, is a product of some similar process. Her 'illness'adds ease to the process of indoctrination.
In her case the message is good but she did not invent nor discover climate change - she is just another maladjusted voice - anyone wonder why Insulate Britain are as they are ?

 

[mchughcb]

Let me state the bleedin' obvious in case anyone missed it .

Too many humans.

Our Prime Minister has how many children now?

And... the No10 baby incubator has 1 so far, another on the way.

This post may offend the permanently offended - if so- good. I hope it does

I care not.

No one cares about how offended I am by all the lies and BS promulgated by the Cop 26

BTW Can anyone tell us how the other 25 COP meetings went?

Let's have another next year shall we ? COP 27...

Too many humans. This is the real "Elephant in the room"

This is "the truth that must not be said"
£££$$$ (Anyone get it yet?)

Anyone prepared to discuss? Or shall we wobble on about the Swedish place-"person" and shut it down with a binary cancellation thing?

Well the elephant in the room is too politically unpalatable to discuss publically but the simple reality is less people same resources same lifestyle less total pollution. Also carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. And water vapor ie clouds is the largest component of greenhouse gases. Not sure what we can do about it.

 

[mchughcb]

Well I know it’s from the Guardian which no doubt auto-qualifies for the SD ignore button, but who would ever have imagined we would fail to build-back greener post pandemic:
‘Reality check’: Global CO2 emissions shooting back to record levels
K

Interestingly the professors in that article quote energy other than coal, electrify transport, reforest as the priority.

Yet the McKinsey results from a few years back that I have posted pointed to insulation as the most effective and cheapest action that can be done to reduce energy consumption.

This reforestation thing. The rise of humans has been associated with the rise of grasses. Losing that production will case famine.