Great result...

[nun_hunter]

If you can't comprehend why his actions, incited people to react the way they did, there's no helping you !

That's no different to saying what a woman wears and if it incites a man to rape her give the suspect some kind of diminished responsibility.

You could be out stalking and someone walking past feels threatened by you having a rifle so decides to assault you to prevent you from shooting them. By your rationale that's completely acceptable

 

[plonker]

I'm sorry, you're deluded !

QUESTION: Had he have been there, no rifle, would he have been attacked ?

If you can't comprehend why his actions, incited people to react the way they did, there's no helping you !

Question: had people not been rioting would they be dead?

Question: if they had not approached him to assault/kill him would they have been shot?

One party was acting within the law the other party was breaking the law and paid the ultimate price.

P.s i know which direction i would be going if i seen someone with a gun in a situation like that

 

[gixer1]

I'm sorry, you're deluded !

QUESTION: Had he have been there, no rifle, would he have been attacked ? most likely! The mob did attack others.

If you can't comprehend why his actions, incited people to react the way they did, there's no helping you ! So did the rioters having guns incite him?

See above responses…

 

[8x57]

I absolutely can't agree that it was a "great result" because even though it may be an adversarial judicial system there are no winners only losers, people have died and lives ruined for no good reason.
I won't even comment whether the verdict was the correct and believe it totally incorrect for politicians particularly the U.S. president to pass comment on it. It's an absolute disgrace that an incident like this should occur in what should be a civilised country and brings nothing but shame on the U.S.A.

 

[Rasputin]

I'm sorry, you're deluded !

QUESTION: Had he have been there, no rifle, would he have been attacked ?

If you can't comprehend why his actions, incited people to react the way they did, there's no helping you !

Does your argument apply for the guy he shot holding a pistol?

 

[kieran222]

Struggling to see how he got off. White youth, travels to another town, with a firearm, knowing there is rioting going on, to "protect property"..............................REALLY !

The not guilty verdict is a bloody joke, racist driven, and indicative of the race issues in the US. In the same way he was there in the first place.

Just seen the video of him strutting around with his AR15, I think the verdict is a bloody travesty !

Exactly, it was irresponsible to take a AR to something like that. Why would you do that. He may have shot some low life but if he had stayed at home those people would still be alive. I doubt that he would get his cert renewed if he was in the UK.

 

[gelert]

The trial, at least from my perspective brought forth actual eye witness testimony and that little thing called the truth, which lets face it gets totally lost when the media run with a narrative.
I watched every single testemony from all the witnesses, and expert witnesses and drew the sad conclusion the prosecution neglected to bring forth all of the evidence presented, as well as certain witnesses whose testemony couod of probably swayed the case in favour of KR.

I didn't know that Joseph Rosenbaum knocked him down TWICE and then attempted to kick him with lethal force to the head. I didn't know that Huber had hit him in the head twice with a skateboard!

I didn't know Gaige Grosskreutz, a felon in possession of firearm, aimed his gun at Kyle first, as he admitted on the stand.
He also neglected to tell the police TWICE in his statement that he even had a firearm,and then went on to try and sue the city for 10 million.

I also didn't know that in the State of Wisconsin, it is legal for Kyle to have a gun, even at 17 (which was why the gun charge was dismissed I presume).

I also didnt know that Kyle DID NOT cross state lines with a gun he wasn't supposed to have.
The rightful gun owner did, as he was legally permitted to do then gave him the gun when he arrived.

I also didn't realize that Rosenbaum was a 5 time convicted child rapist.
I thought he was only convicted ONCE and that Huber was a 2 time convicted woman beater.I didn't know that, much Im sure neither did most people.

Grosskreutz was probably the most compelling witness, and his final statement pretty much summed everything up to a clear case of self defence.
Rittenhouse went there the day before to clean some graffiti, and talk to local shop keepers and businesses.
From what I saw, nothing seemed to suggest he was in any way the aggresor, the fact he ran away from all 4 people, then handed himself directly to the police.
Just my observation.

 

[User00053]

The trial, at least from my perspective brought forth actual eye witness testimony and that little thing called the truth, which lets face it gets totally lost when the media run with a narrative.
I watched every single testemony from all the witnesses, and expert witnesses and drew the sad conclusion the prosecution neglected to bring forth all of the evidence presented, as well as certain witnesses whose testemony couod of probably swayed the case in favour of KR.

I didn't know that Joseph Rosenbaum knocked him down TWICE and then attempted to kick him with lethal force to the head. I didn't know that Huber had hit him in the head twice with a skateboard!

I didn't know Gaige Grosskreutz, a felon in possession of firearm, aimed his gun at Kyle first, as he admitted on the stand.
He also neglected to tell the police TWICE in his statement that he even had a firearm,and then went on to try and sue the city for 10 million.

I also didn't know that in the State of Wisconsin, it is legal for Kyle to have a gun, even at 17 (which was why the gun charge was dismissed I presume).

I also didnt know that Kyle DID NOT cross state lines with a gun he wasn't supposed to have.
The rightful gun owner did, as he was legally permitted to do then gave him the gun when he arrived.

I also didn't realize that Rosenbaum was a 5 time convicted child rapist.
I thought he was only convicted ONCE and that Huber was a 2 time convicted woman beater.I didn't know that, much Im sure neither did most people.

Grosskreutz was probably the most compelling witness, and his final statement pretty much summed everything up to a clear case of self defence.
Rittenhouse went there the day before to clean some graffiti, and talk to local shop keepers and businesses.
From what I saw, nothing seemed to suggest he was in any way the aggresor, the fact he ran away from all 4 people, then handed himself directly to the police.
Just my observation.

Job done

 

[A Guy Out West]

For those of you not being able to understand the not guilty verdict, please watch these two experts on the subject. Sorry for the advertisement at the beginning of the clip. Norseman, you should especially benefit from this short video.

 

[Lateral]

Thats like saying , If you wear a Rolex on the street you deserve to have it robbed off you ?
Is it illegal to wear the Rolex , or is it illegal to steal it ?


You talk about incitement, but to incite someone to commit a crime isnt an argument for the crime, as in the Rolex argument, Ill think youll find the law is pretty clear on this .
And to bring race into the argument , particularly in this context is both tacky and totally inaccurate , are you saying theres a different law for black people ?

Are you for real, why the hell do you think BLM exists ???

AND, since BLM is about RACISM, it's neither tacky, and most certainly relevant, in a society that allows people to walk the streets brandishing firearms !

The Rolex comment, is just plain stupid. Walk into a place frequented by normal, intelligent people, and you won't have a problem. Wear your Rolex in a deprived area, where crime is rampant, and you know what's likely to happen, the same as walking around with a wedge of cash in your hand

Walk into a gun range, NRA, or Trump rally, with rifle slung over shoulder, and you'll be with like minded people, who won't think twice about it.

Going where he did, with the rifle, was his wedge of cash, his Rolex, and any intelligent person would have been unsurprised at the outcome, just not the verdict.


It's ALL WRONG, but sadly, this is the society in which we live !

 

[alberta boy]

But he was only attacked because he went out his way to go there, where as they have police/national guard for protecting things at least that would have been my logic

That was the problem . The governor and the mayor told the police to stand down and allow the riots to continue . Rittenhouse , and a lot of others who didn't make the headlines , were forced to step up and protect their homes and business . The government decision to do so was purely politically motivated , for that , they should have been prosecuted . Even Biden couldn't keep his mouth shut after the verdict was reached , saying he was angry . I doubt you'll see it on your newsfeed , but Rittenhouse is going to be a very wealthy young man . The big media and fellow travellers have all referred to him as a Murderer , even Biden is dangerously close to the edge . CNN has already had to pay out quite a few million dollars for false reporting . Google Nick Sandman if you're interested . At least they've stopped referring to the protests as peaceful .
To put it in perspective . What the government did in Kenosha and , to a larger extent , Portland , would have resulted in criminal charges in Canada . It has been a topic of discussion ever since it started . What the governors and mayors of the cities involved did during the riots would have landed them in prison in this country . I find it sad that everyone is pointing their finger at a 17 year old and saying this is what's wrong with America when in fact it's really a case of selfish , opportunistic and immoral government and media using any means necessary to keep power . As Lateral points out , it's sad , but not because a kid shot people at a riot . It's sad because the people who were supposed to protect Kenosha and it's people from harm , chose to allow it to happen for their own political gain .

AB

 

[Rewulf]

Are you for real, why the hell do you think BLM exists ???

AND, since BLM is about RACISM, it's neither tacky, and most certainly relevant, in a society that allows people to walk the streets brandishing firearms

You do realise the trial wasn't about racism in any way shape or form , the riot was supposed to be a blm protest , but was just a riot , with mostly white rioters, that's why I called your comment tacky .
You tried to change the narrative , to justify your frankly ridiculous viewpoint.

The Rolex comment, is just plain stupid. Walk into a place frequented by normal, intelligent people, and you won't have a problem. Wear your Rolex in a deprived area, where crime is rampant, and you know what's likely to happen, the same as walking around with a wedge of cash in your hand

I don't think you're getting it .
A public place is a public place, it is frequented by all, and the laws of this land don't end when you go to a deprived public place.

Going where he did, with the rifle, was his wedge of cash, his Rolex, and any intelligent person would have been unsurprised at the outcome, just not the verdict

So everyone who was carrying a gun that night shot someone?

t's ALL WRONG, but sadly, this is the society in which we live !

And attitudes like that are why we're in the mess we're in .
Not daring to say , enough is enough, we would all rather hide behind our doors ?

 

[A Guy Out West]

That was the problem . The governor and the mayor told the police to stand down and allow the riots to continue . Rittenhouse , and a lot of others who didn't make the headlines , were forced to step up and protect their homes and business . The government decision to do so was purely politically motivated , for that , they should have been prosecuted . Even Biden couldn't keep his mouth shut after the verdict was reached , saying he was angry . I doubt you'll see it on your newsfeed , but Rittenhouse is going to be a very wealthy young man . The big media and fellow travellers have all referred to him as a Murderer , even Biden is dangerously close to the edge . CNN has already had to pay out quite a few million dollars for false reporting . Google Nick Sandman if you're interested . At least they've stopped referring to the protests as peaceful .
To put it in perspective . What the government did in Kenosha and , to a larger extent , Portland , would have resulted in criminal charges in Canada . It has been a topic of discussion ever since it started . What the governors and mayors of the cities involved did during the riots would have landed them in prison in this country . I find it sad that everyone is pointing their finger at a 17 year old and saying this is what's wrong with America when in fact it's really a case of selfish , opportunistic and immoral government and media using any means necessary to keep power . As Lateral points out , it's sad , but not because a kid shot people at a riot . It's sad because the people who were supposed to protect Kenosha and it's people from harm , chose to allow it to happen for their own political gain .

AB

And it continues, a riot in Portland last night.

 

[Mick Miller]

One thing this forum never fails to remind me of is that the vast majority of people are still spoonfed their opinions by biased activists masquerading as reporters in the main stream media.

Seems like we still have a way to go.

 

[gixer1]

I absolutely can't agree that it was a "great result" because even though it may be an adversarial judicial system there are no winners only losers, people have died and lives ruined for no good reason.
I won't even comment whether the verdict was the correct and believe it totally incorrect for politicians particularly the U.S. president to pass comment on it. It's an absolute disgrace that an incident like this should occur in what should be a civilised country and brings nothing but shame on the U.S.A.

I’m sorry, but the potential was there for a 18 year old’s life to be ruined if the incorrect decision was made - on that basis it was a great result.

It also shows that you can’t go out, burn things, destroy things and attack people and not expect consequences.

Anytime someone dies it’s a great shame, however, that doesn’t stop decisions from being great surrounding these events.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[willie_gunn]

That was the problem . The governor and the mayor told the police to stand down and allow the riots to continue . Rittenhouse , and a lot of others who didn't make the headlines , were forced to step up and protect their homes and business . The government decision to do so was purely politically motivated , for that , they should have been prosecuted . Even Biden couldn't keep his mouth shut after the verdict was reached , saying he was angry . I doubt you'll see it on your newsfeed , but Rittenhouse is going to be a very wealthy young man . The big media and fellow travellers have all referred to him as a Murderer , even Biden is dangerously close to the edge . CNN has already had to pay out quite a few million dollars for false reporting . Google Nick Sandman if you're interested . At least they've stopped referring to the protests as peaceful .
To put it in perspective . What the government did in Kenosha and , to a larger extent , Portland , would have resulted in criminal charges in Canada . It has been a topic of discussion ever since it started . What the governors and mayors of the cities involved did during the riots would have landed them in prison in this country . I find it sad that everyone is pointing their finger at a 17 year old and saying this is what's wrong with America when in fact it's really a case of selfish , opportunistic and immoral government and media using any means necessary to keep power . As Lateral points out , it's sad , but not because a kid shot people at a riot . It's sad because the people who were supposed to protect Kenosha and it's people from harm , chose to allow it to happen for their own political gain .

AB

An article today in The Spectator makes exactly this point.

The whole piece is worth a read:

Kyle Rittenhouse and the failure of the American state

Kyle Rittenhouse is innocent. We knew that anyway, but the simple fact of something being true in no way guarantees that the legal system will recognise it. In this case, we are fortunate that law and reality have decided to agree with one another. Kyle Rittenhouse is innocent, but the state...

www.spectator.co.uk

For those who can’t make the time, these two paragraphs provide a decent summary:

“The deal is very simple. The state provides protection, and in return it receives a monopoly on the legitimate use of force and the generous funding of the taxpayer. When it decides in its infinite majesty to withhold this protection based on arbitrary political motivations, ordinary citizens are forced to once again defend life and property – even if they are horrendously ill equipped to do so.

Vigilante justice has a bad reputation because it is, by its nature, often unjust. It is not orderly, it is not predictable, it is based on the strength of feeling and decisions of individuals and mobs, and it is vastly inferior to an orderly and detached law enforcement agency doing its job consistently. But when criminal activity goes unpunished and unpoliced, we consistently see people attempt to defend their own. Vigilantism historically occurs where central law enforcement is weak, and in America the cheapest form of self-protection is the firearm. It is no coincidence that when crime rates go up, gun sales rise also. When the state decided it could not properly protect Kenosha, it created the conditions for everything that followed.”

 

[User00036]

I actually wonder about the mentality of a man who would drive to a riot, to cleans some graffiti off a wall, with an assault rifle. What was that graffiti that was so offensive? Couldn't it of waited?

 

[A Guy Out West]

An article today in The Spectator makes exactly this point.

The whole piece is worth a read:

Kyle Rittenhouse and the failure of the American state

Kyle Rittenhouse is innocent. We knew that anyway, but the simple fact of something being true in no way guarantees that the legal system will recognise it. In this case, we are fortunate that law and reality have decided to agree with one another. Kyle Rittenhouse is innocent, but the state...

www.spectator.co.uk

For those who can’t make the time, these two paragraphs provide a decent summary:

“The deal is very simple. The state provides protection, and in return it receives a monopoly on the legitimate use of force and the generous funding of the taxpayer. When it decides in its infinite majesty to withhold this protection based on arbitrary political motivations, ordinary citizens are forced to once again defend life and property – even if they are horrendously ill equipped to do so.

Vigilante justice has a bad reputation because it is, by its nature, often unjust. It is not orderly, it is not predictable, it is based on the strength of feeling and decisions of individuals and mobs, and it is vastly inferior to an orderly and detached law enforcement agency doing its job consistently. But when criminal activity goes unpunished and unpoliced, we consistently see people attempt to defend their own. Vigilantism historically occurs where central law enforcement is weak, and in America the cheapest form of self-protection is the firearm. It is no coincidence that when crime rates go up, gun sales rise also. When the state decided it could not properly protect Kenosha, it created the conditions for everything that followed.”

Yep!

 

[gixer1]

I actually wonder about the mentality of a man who would drive to a riot, to cleans some graffiti off a wall, with an assault rifle. What was that graffiti that was so offensive? Couldn't it of waited?

He didn’t drive to a riot to do that - he’d done it on several occasions previous to the incident…he ably had the rifle as he was asked to help protect a business address.

 

[alberta boy]

I'm all for trying to look after others. I'm all for protecting ones own personal property, but lawless vigilantes, going around, exacting their own personal justice, based on their own prejudices.......................................beyond belief

That isn't what happened brother .

AB

I actually wonder about the mentality of a man who would drive to a riot, to cleans some graffiti off a wall, with an assault rifle. What was that graffiti that was so offensive? Couldn't it of waited?

Because he realised his life would be in danger for simply cleaning off graffiti , it's content is irrelevant . One senior citizen was shot in the face and killed by a rioter because he had a MAGA hat on ., but for some strange reason , that didn't make much news . Funny .
AB