The future is electric

[mealiejimmy]

Malc - as you wish, but nobody owns a "Teslar"
However, quite a few people own a TESLA
Remember that vast majority of the motor trade do NOT want to deal in electric cars.
Motor dealers make very little money from selling new cars, their principle source of profit is parts, servicing and repairs plus selling used vehicles.
They know that electric cars need far less parts and servicing than a petrol or diesel car, and they also know that many car manufacturers are going to follow the tesla model of selling direct and not through dealerships.
Those things mean that many motor dealerships in their existing form are going bust
In consequence, anything anyone in the motor trade tells you about electric vehicles should be take with a large pinch of salt and a healthy dose of scepticism.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[8x57]

Electric cars may have a place as short distance vehicles but I can't see them catching on for serious use where any distance is involved.

 

[takbok]

Electric cars are so good that we'll need to be coerced into buying them.

 

[Oly]

More Myth busting:

The average range of an EV is now in excess of 200miles (my bladder nor back can drive for that long anyway!)

Rapid charging (depending on the charger and car capacity) can be between 4 and 60mins with our average being about 20mins...just long enough for a pee stop and a brew.

Charging at home is a joy, just get out and plug in...you realise how much time and effort is spent finding and smelly fueling an ICE car

Being able to use your car as a back up power supply for your house is happening more via vehicle to grid technology

Consumables are also less...fewer brake pads due to mostly regen breaking

Battery fires are incredibly rare, a tiny % when compared to the same number of ICE cars

The are FAST! Instant power means the cheapest EV beats everything off the line

Batteries are mostly lithium and cobalt. This material is then used to power the vehicle its entire life. The majority of the worlds cobalt is used in petrol refining...where its used once. Lithium is sourced from mines or salt water. As batteries are thousands of cells, batteries from broken or old cars are stripped, the few bad cells removed and the rest reused in battery extender packs or as domestic batteries. Battery Upgrades - Cleevely Electric Vehicles Gloucestershire

There's LOADS of charging points, with more coming online each week https://www.zap-map.com/ can tell you where they are, when they were last used, how much they cost, what type they are and even if they are presently available.

You can now get an new estate ev with a 250mi range for £26k New Car Offers & Finance | MG Motor UK

EV vans are becoming very competitive with many moving over to the new electric Vivario with over 200mi range from £28k.

Servicing is virtually none existent, fewer consumables (eg exhaust, clutch) and fuel costs are incredibly low in comparison to ICE cars...all making any extra expense paid for very quickly.

EV wade through water brilliantly given no engine intake /exhaust to worry about. Fully waterproof/pest proof even the Nissan Leaf was designed to wade 2ft of water with ease...I'll have to try and dig out the video of a range rover flooding and the Leaf wading past it!

As /when i think of more I'll post.

 

[andrew_shooter53]

Haha, it just gets worse, suicide seems the only option

careful you will lose your licenses if your suicidal

 

[andrew_shooter53]

In 10-15 years time, if you're still driving, you'll almost certainly be driving an electric car and it will probably have been made in China

Cheers

Bruce

probably a

Chevrolet Corvette 19​

 

[VIGILAIRE]

General enquiry please - does anyone know if electric/hybrid or whatever type cars can be jacked up to replace a flat tyre?

Read somewhere that due to the heavy weight/distribution or something the floor pan would warp if theses cars are not raised on a hoist.

Not got a view either way on this technology, just interested. Anyone?

 

[saddler]

Not quite true...batteries do slowly degrade over time. Ours is 7yrs old has 45k on and still has 92% state of health (factory is 98%) with no issues.

Plus you don't replace the whole battery. They are made up of thousands of cells. So mechanics simply plug in, find the bad one or two cells and replace those. Simples.

Plus the vas amount of £ you've saved on fuel and servicing (which btw is simply a pollen filter!) more than pays for it IF it happens.

There's are quite a number of Nissan EV taxis that have been running fine for 10 years now with 400k on the clock.

There's so many myths out there, I'd recommend doing your homework first before slating the technology.

Did a little homework previously....though I've not seen my mate for a couple of years, who's quite well versed in such things; luckily for him as he works for a Japanese firm that makes battery cells. They'd have not sent him to the UK from Japan if he didn't know his stuff I suppose...
Busy lad. He has to be, the UK zone he runs is the one supplying the muppets in Usworth & last time I bumped into him there were only two staff in his branch to assist him = most of it is done virtually/online & with that Kaizen thing plus JIT deliveries, etc.

Not ANTI electric cars in any way - just the initial outlay and battery issues are one issue - the main problem for me is lack of range compared to even my small Fiat
Had someone point out another aspect of them this week, out of the blue. He says most of them cannot be used for towing...

 

[NoIDeer]

My neighbour went on holiday to Northumberland from the East Midlands in two cars, one EV one proper car. The petrol car took four and a half hours the EV nine. Tortoise and hare comes to mind!

 

[8x57]

General enquiry please - does anyone know if electric/hybrid or whatever type cars can be jacked up to replace a flat tyre?

Read somewhere that due to the heavy weight/distribution or something the floor pan would warp if theses cars are not raised on a hoist.

Not got a view either way on this technology, just interested. Anyone?

I wouldn't have thought that would be the case but I may be wrong.

Also the case of them not being suitable as a tow vehicle that Saddler raised, why should that be?

 

[Husky]

I like the idea of electric motors, simple, reliable and powerful, however the problem for me is the batteries but that will change as the technology increases.

I think there is only one 4x4, the American one, so far and as usual with all new vehicles they are full of gadgets.

I would want something like an early 110 or mk1 Hilux, lights, wipers, horn and heater with wind up windows, keep it simple !

 

[JockStalk]

Most of the worlds cobalt is I the Congo where child slave labour mines it to put in your Tesla battery so that you can feel all righteous.
For urban use EVs have a place. For long range most fleets will stay diesel then move direct to hydrogen when widely available. That is likely the future for 4WD and heavy vehicles.

 

[Oly]

General enquiry please - does anyone know if electric/hybrid or whatever type cars can be jacked up to replace a flat tyre?

Yes, they have jacking points like all other cars

 

[Oly]

Myth busting... Towing...

Most EVs can be used for towing and given their massive torque they are great for towing.

At present not many are permitted to tow in UK simply as the manufacturers have not put them through the dvla's licencing (as we were still in the early adopter phase) but this is changing given increased uptake.

For example even the little Renault Zoe tow caravans in the EU, but are not licenced to tow in the UK yet.

You can tow with most Teslas models in the UK. Like ICE vehicles, fuel consumption goes up when towing.

 

[Oly]

Not ANTI electric cars in any way - just the initial outlay and battery issues are one issue - the main problem for me is lack of range compared to even my small Fiat

The big question really shouldn't be total range, but how far do you drive without stopping.

I can't drive 200 miles without stopping, so an EV works for me as I stop for a pee, stretch and a drink, get back to the car and its recharged and I'm back on my way.

 

[Druid]

Individual personal transport is going to be something only the middle to higher income people can afford in a few years time.

 

[steve sxs]

Individual personal transport is going to be something only the middle to higher income people can afford in a few years time.

There will be a War for resources in a while (just history repeating itself) access to water, access to fertile land, access to metals and minerals and competeing just for somewhere to live, iam not even going to mention the other

 

[mealiejimmy]

General enquiry please - does anyone know if electric/hybrid or whatever type cars can be jacked up to replace a flat tyre?

Read somewhere that due to the heavy weight/distribution or something the floor pan would warp if theses cars are not raised on a hoist.

Not got a view either way on this technology, just interested. Anyone?

Electric cars are heavier than their petrol diesel equivalents, but nothing a normal car jack can't handle.
"the floor pan would warp would warp if a hoist was not used" is just more FUD from the motor trade
Electric cars have the same hoist mounting points as normal cars, so changing a flat tyre at the roadside or at a tyre depot is no different than it would be for a normal car.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[mealiejimmy]

There will be a War for resources in a while (just history repeating itself) access to water, access to fertile land, access to metals and minerals and competeing just for somewhere to live, iam not even going to mention the other

What do you mean there WILL be a war for resources.
Next to religion, more wars have been fought for access to resources than for any other reason in history.
In recent times oil has been at the top of that list.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[VIGILAIRE]

Thanks for the information Bruce. I was clearly misinformed. Thought it unlikely hence the question.