Omicron
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jimo
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I didn’t claim,nor do the NHS that it PREVENTS infection but surely we can all grasp the principal that the higher your immunity the less chance you have of getting infected. The point I was trying to make is that having a booster is a sensible precaution to take for reasons other than just looking after number one.
Sinistral
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These conspiracy theories baffle me because I believe that Covid-19 has caused far more deaths than people realise. I don't think HM Govt have exaggerated the threat at all, but have actually failed to get across the seriousness of it from the very beginning. If their explanations had been more effective there wouldn't be so much public distrust and resentment at the idea of more lockdowns.
With this latest variant, got to agree, they've used scare tactics, and seemingly failed to carry the public with them
ONS who I used to work for have produced a series of reports on 'excess deaths' that are buried away on their website which IMO give a better picture of Covid effects todate on the mortality figures than the Gov.UK dashboard does. Covid, if not a direct cause of death, is also a cause of increased death rates in all the other common causes of death like heart disease, cancer, respiratory disease, strokes, etc.
For instance (last link) on 'Flu & Pneumonia ONS says that :-
“More than three times as many deaths were recorded between 1 January and 31 August 2020 where COVID-19 was the underlying cause compared to influenza and pneumonia."
“The mortality rate for COVID-19 is also significantly higher than influenza and pneumonia rates for both 2020 and the five-year average."
“Since 1959, which is when ONS monthly death records began, the number of deaths due to influenza and pneumonia in the first eight months of every year have been lower than the number of COVID-19 deaths seen, so far, in 2020.”
Counting deaths during the pandemic - UK Health Security Agency
The official blog of the UK Health Security Agency, providing expert insight on the organisation's work and all aspects of health security
ukhsa.blog.gov.uk
Excess mortality in England and English regions: March 2020 to December 2023
Analysis estimating excess mortality during and after the COVID-19 pandemic, 20 March 2020 to 29 December 2023.
Microsoft Power BI
Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics
Comparison of deaths from the coronavirus (COVID-19) with deaths from influenza (flu) and pneumonia. Includes deaths by date of death occurrence and breakdowns by sex and age.
www.ons.gov.uk
glasshalffull
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The latest evidence emerging is supporting the theory that the virus is mutating in the bodies of people with weakened immune systems.
Especially people suffering with HIV.
This is why the latest variant came from Africa where a lot of people have HIV.
So it makes sense to offer vaccines to these countries to try and limit the viruses ability to mutate instead of watching it mutate then queuing up for another jab that offers protection for a couple of months or so.
We actually have to stop being selfish on a global scale to stop this.
This is a global problem but it isn’t getting treated as such so I suppose it’s here to stay until then.
We need to give our vaccines to other countries for their sakes and our children and grand kids futures and I find it appalling the attitude of the older generation who just seem to be thinking about themselves in all this.
So who here would give all their future vaccine shots away to another country?
Obviously I respect everybody’s opinion, there is no right or wrong, no arguing just a simple yes I’d give them all away or no I would take them myself?
Looking forward to this,
Thanks in advance
Especially people suffering with HIV.
This is why the latest variant came from Africa where a lot of people have HIV.
So it makes sense to offer vaccines to these countries to try and limit the viruses ability to mutate instead of watching it mutate then queuing up for another jab that offers protection for a couple of months or so.
We actually have to stop being selfish on a global scale to stop this.
This is a global problem but it isn’t getting treated as such so I suppose it’s here to stay until then.
We need to give our vaccines to other countries for their sakes and our children and grand kids futures and I find it appalling the attitude of the older generation who just seem to be thinking about themselves in all this.
So who here would give all their future vaccine shots away to another country?
Obviously I respect everybody’s opinion, there is no right or wrong, no arguing just a simple yes I’d give them all away or no I would take them myself?
Looking forward to this,
Thanks in advance
I’d give mine away
Rasputin
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These conspiracy theories baffle me because I believe that Covid-19 has caused far more deaths than people realise. I don't think HM Govt have exaggerated the threat at all, but have actually failed to get across the seriousness of it from the very beginning. If their explanations had been more effective there wouldn't be so much public distrust and resentment at the idea of more lockdowns.
With this latest variant, got to agree, they've used scare tactics, and seemingly failed to carry the public with them
ONS who I used to work for have produced a series of reports on 'excess deaths' that are buried away on their website which IMO give a better picture of Covid effects todate on the mortality figures than the Gov.UK dashboard does. Covid, if not a direct cause of death, is also a cause of increased death rates in all the other common causes of death like heart disease, cancer, respiratory disease, strokes, etc.
For instance (last link) on 'Flu & Pneumonia ONS says that :-
“More than three times as many deaths were recorded between 1 January and 31 August 2020 where COVID-19 was the underlying cause compared to influenza and pneumonia."
“The mortality rate for COVID-19 is also significantly higher than influenza and pneumonia rates for both 2020 and the five-year average."
“Since 1959, which is when ONS monthly death records began, the number of deaths due to influenza and pneumonia in the first eight months of every year have been lower than the number of COVID-19 deaths seen, so far, in 2020.”
Counting deaths during the pandemic - UK Health Security Agency
The official blog of the UK Health Security Agency, providing expert insight on the organisation's work and all aspects of health security
Excess mortality in England and English regions: March 2020 to December 2023
Analysis estimating excess mortality during and after the COVID-19 pandemic, 20 March 2020 to 29 December 2023.www.gov.uk
Microsoft Power BI
app.powerbi.com
Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics
Comparison of deaths from the coronavirus (COVID-19) with deaths from influenza (flu) and pneumonia. Includes deaths by date of death occurrence and breakdowns by sex and age.www.ons.gov.uk
The excess deaths is the only part that matters and we need to ask ourselves if it’s worth closing the countries and indeed the world down for at worse a thousand deaths in a week of people who are already had their best years behind them either due to age or underlying conditions.
The answer to that at this point should be a resounding no because there’s more people who would benefit from a redistribution of priorities. The needs of the many should take preference over the needs of a few in a country of 60m+ people.
foxdropper
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The better your immunity the less symptoms you will have but you are still infected and in fact can pass the virus much easier as you will think you have a mild cold or nothing and carry on about your business.
The higher your immunity the better chance you have against serious illness.
foxdropper
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Just for the record ,would an asymptomatic person fail the pcr test
If yes then why arnt all we testing daily .
If no ,then how do they know your asymptomatic .
Something that’s bothered me from the outset tbh .In fact I might lie wake tonight thinking about it ,that and will I be on form on the peg tomorrow .
If yes then why arnt all we testing daily .
If no ,then how do they know your asymptomatic .
Something that’s bothered me from the outset tbh .In fact I might lie wake tonight thinking about it ,that and will I be on form on the peg tomorrow .
David.evans
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I believe it’s 7/10 days but I’m sure the experts will be a long soon
Denmark, one of my favorite countries to visit is off the list for a while....
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www.reuters.com
This is serious stuff lads, be careful out there.
Omicron dominant in Denmark as daily infections reach new record
Daily coronavirus infections in Denmark reached a new record on Tuesday, propelled by the Omicron coronavirus, which is now the predominant variant in the Nordic country, Health Minister Magnus Heunicke said.
This is serious stuff lads, be careful out there.
Stop agonising over this crap. That is what they want you to do. Unless you're half dead to start with, it will not hurt you. Don't get sucked down this wormhole. Wash your hands at the usual junctures, like your mother taught you, don't sleep with lepers or French kiss people with TB, but otherwise get on with your lives.
Cheers mate.
I've already opted out of mine and blocked the NHS from pestering me with texts about boosters. Do I get a gold star?
I suppose in the interest of honesty I should confess that I haven't done this out of altruism. I don't care about humankind and as far as I'm concerned, the more of them that get killed off through a disease of their own making (quite literally..) the better. I just woke up, smelled the bull**** and chose to unsubscribe.
But good luck anyway.
timbrayford
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In your opinion!
timbrayford
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Its a good point, does anyone still seriously believe that someone in China snogged a sick bat to start all this off?
glasshalffull
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Reading this last night and I thought of you and it may go some way in explaining why covid is evolving so rapidly, see below extract
"The paper proffers that Omicron picked up this newly acquired snip of genetic material from either another virus that infected the same host cells as SARS-CoV-2, or the human transcriptome of host cells infected with SARS-CoV-2. Whether acquired from the common cold, another virus, or the human genome, the new insertion mutation on the spike protein makes Omicron look “more human” according to the lead author of the study, Venky Soundararajan.
Other researchers must now determine whether Omicron’s newly inserted mutation on the spike protein – with similar attributes to the human genome – will lead to a gain in function and competitive advantage compared to the Delta variant. The WHO reports in its update on Omicron that studies are underway to determine if this new insertion mutation, along with the more than 30 other mutations to the spike protein, may lead to an increase in transmissibility, an escape of our vaccines or infection-induced immunity, or an increase in severity of COVID-19 disease."
To myself that makes worrying reading as who knows what the next variants may bring?
Omicron: South African scientists probe link between variants and untreated HIV
Covid variants may be mutating inside people with suppressed immunity.
www.bbc.co.uk
Rasputin
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Only those paying homage to their Chinese pay masters.
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