Omicron
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glasshalffull
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Until the next variant comes along 
dartmoordog
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I have ne er hadIf he did , he only had them once... Not three times a year, whether he'd had the actual disease or not
Not traveled much them.If he did , he only had them once... Not three times a year, whether he'd had the actual disease or not
timbrayford
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1. I don't travel abroad - wasn't it foreign travel that spread covid around the world?
2. I had covid well before the vaccine came out.
3. There is no perceivable benefit in being immunised against diseases which you have already had and your immune system has proven to be more than capable of dealing with.
4. Receiving a superfluous vaccine which is of no possible use merely denies an opportunity to those of whom might benefit from it.
dartmoordog
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What an interesting life you must lead………The rest you have posted is total shite, get yourself a bit of a life mate.
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Rewulf
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Lets be totally clear about this. COVID, it's continuation or even it's treatment does not benefit the big pharma companies.
In theory, I'm the one with dollars to be made here. I have shares in AstraZeneca and Pfizer. Both are down over their January 2020 values. COVID has cost them, as the companies providing the vaccines, roughly 10% of their value in just over a year. To put that into perspective, COVID has knocked $20 billion off the value of Pfizer. It's knocked £10bn off the value of AstraZeneca (although the vaccine news did briefly provide some significant gains mid year when coupled with a route out of COVID.) Based on past performance it's also stolen them another 3-10% in potential value because that's what they normally gain per year under normal conditions.
Big pharma, just the same as every other industry wants COVID out the way so they can get people back to work,
THe COVID vaccines do help them recover some of the massive profit impact that COVID has caused, but trust me, the execs at AZN are not thinking 'Well, lets keep covid about as long as possible so we can continue to rake in them vaccination dollars' and the quarterly earnings calls are bearing this out, not to mention the share price.
Plus of course, the same vested interests with millions of AZN stock probably also have millions of stock in BP (down 40%), or FTSE tracker funds (down 10%) or maybe airlines, retail or events management companies (absolute carnage). The elimination of COVID is almost certainly going to generate far more in gains for those with vested interests in large UK or Global companies (i.e the pool of government advisers and special interest groups defining COVID response) than it's prolongation can generate from any one single company.
It makes a good soundbite. 'Corporate fatcats profiting off the deaths of thousands and working to hide effective treatments'. Provokes outrage, makes sense at first glance. But ultimately? Bollocks.
To your other point though, I'm also uncertain what difference in benefit there is between vaccine derived immunity versus naturally derived immunity. To my knowledge they're similar mechanisms, similar responses and similar methods of immunological memory. Also based on past knowledge of vaccines, its generally the case that naurally acquired immunity is, if anythig, marginally better than vaccine induced immunity because the body 'sees' the true wild type threat in terms of protein conformation and epitopes versus the 'mimic' version presented in the vaccine. That said, there are some advantages to getting vaccinated, even as a massively low risk person (I'm 25, I'm still gonna get it).
These are:
- Risk reduction - if you acquire natural immunity by contracting COVID, there's a risk, albeit a very, very small one that the virus might do you in or have long term adverse influence on quality of life. A low risk, but you'd feel pretty stupid if you did it, rolled snake eyes 10 times in a row and snuffed it. Plus it seems a strange hill to (perhaps literally) die on?
- Certainty - If you opt for naturally immunity, how can you be certain you've actually got it? As you note, you're low risk for COVID, so I doubt you're getting tested for it regularly. Maybe you've seen Wt virus already, maybe you haven't. You probably wouldn't exhibit major symptoms either way, so perhaps those couple of days feeling under the weather over Christmas was COVID. Or was it just a cold? Maybe you're immune and quite entitled to visit Granny in her care home or visit Europe, maybe you're not. At least if you get the vaccine it eliminates that uncertainty.
- Short term reduction in spread - Long term, if you get COVID, recover and then have immunity, you have the same, low infection risk as those vaccinated. Same response after all. But what about in the meantime? As I said above, you'll only know if you're actually immune if you get tested for COVID antibodies, it throws a positive and it's not a false positive. Or of course, if you get the vaccine. At least if you get vaccinated, you know that you're immediately contributing to herd immunity and whilst you may still be able to spread the virus, the overall population is less permissive to that spread because it's a lot quicker to provide vaccinations to everyone than to faff about waiting weeks or months with everyone hiding inside for you and every other 18-50 year old to eventually see the Wt variant, fight it off an get your immunity that way.
- Freedom - I can certainly forsee a future where certain activities will require proof of vaccination. I'm idealogically opposed to this, but a lot of the country isn't, and this is a democracy. Vaccine passports for travel (already proposed by the US), vaccine passports to work in the office (been polled by the FT last week with 70%+ approval from employers), vaccine passport for clubs, sport events and other mass gatherings (already being used in Europe in conjunction with rapid covid testing). You may derive little direct beneft from a vaccine, especially if you really do have immunity from Wt virus exposure, but the indirect benenfts in being able to live your life as you wish, travelling and working freely, surely have benefits in and of themselves?
Vaccines Are Profitable, So What?
Yes, Big Pharma is making money from immunizations. But that doesn't mean anyone should skip the shots.
www.theatlantic.com
Covid vaccines: Will drug companies make bumper profits?
Governments and charities have invested billions in vaccines developed by private firms.
www.bbc.co.uk
Why big pharma had a responsibility to profit from the pandemic
Corporations need to weigh up significant risks against wider benefits.
theconversation.com
foxdropper
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Deffo accountant 
Anyway ,who’s having the next one in the spring and again in Autumn .
Anyway ,who’s having the next one in the spring and again in Autumn .
Well it's all been quiet on the old school premises for days now, wonder if it's been cancelled due to Omicron getting labelled less severe.SWMBO has been instructed to remove her work motor from the former village school grounds, It appears that the money machine that is Covid has landed here, vast amounts of
dosh being spent bringing it back into use as a vaccination centre , lots of electricians checking out the place & tarmac machines working, petrol slab cutters howling away all day,
Just hope they have the presence of mind to sort out a traffic management system.
mchughcb
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Well finally its broken out down here and the public health bureaucrats have gone into meltdown. Not sure if they are still pursuing a elimination strategy. Test, trace, isolate strategy for elimination has finally collapsed.
People are finally waking up to the fact that no society can function if every bedwetting health bureaucrat on a fat government guaranteed salary is calling the shots.
The wash up is hundreds billions of tax payers dollars pished up against the wall based on the expert advice.
People are finally waking up to the fact that no society can function if every bedwetting health bureaucrat on a fat government guaranteed salary is calling the shots.
The wash up is hundreds billions of tax payers dollars pished up against the wall based on the expert advice.
Rafter
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Is that an attempted murder?
Freeforester
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There’s a world of difference between ‘vaccine’-induced immunity and naturally acquired immunity, as was the case in the original SARS outbreak, as has been shown to be the case, and will become clearer over time in regard to SARS COV-2; much like the ’big pharma making big profits’ dictum, the notion of the two forms being equivalent was ‘useful’ to those with interests at the syringe-filling end of the equation, but a cursory glance at the state of play around the globe to those countries where multiple shots were administered and into the highest proportion of the population in those same countries, when compared to other countries which did not follow the ‘vaccine’ route seem to indicate that the cost:benefit aspects of the Western approach are none too clear, with the obvious caveat concerning the overall health of these respective countries’ populations.
The people at large are beginning to realise the ‘worth’ of the much vaunted ‘booster’ shots against a new, improved breakthrough strain of far less virulence - ’more of the same’ simply isn’t cutting it, either in terms of efficacy which wanes rapidly, unlike naturally-acquired immunity, nor necessity against this far less life-threatening variant - the many are now judging their personal ‘chances’ to be better in risking potential infection acquiring naturally acquired immunity now rather than getting jabbed yet again, with the latter offering demonstrably little to next-to-no chance of keeping omicron at bay in their personal chances by obeying the official narrative and yet again rolling up their sleeves.
The people at large are beginning to realise the ‘worth’ of the much vaunted ‘booster’ shots against a new, improved breakthrough strain of far less virulence - ’more of the same’ simply isn’t cutting it, either in terms of efficacy which wanes rapidly, unlike naturally-acquired immunity, nor necessity against this far less life-threatening variant - the many are now judging their personal ‘chances’ to be better in risking potential infection acquiring naturally acquired immunity now rather than getting jabbed yet again, with the latter offering demonstrably little to next-to-no chance of keeping omicron at bay in their personal chances by obeying the official narrative and yet again rolling up their sleeves.
Freeforester
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Skip to 15:30 for the takeaway:
As the learned gentleman from Iran says, ”We‘ve always known” that naturally acquired immunity is far better than vaccine acquired immunity.
HNY!
As the learned gentleman from Iran says, ”We‘ve always known” that naturally acquired immunity is far better than vaccine acquired immunity.
HNY!
mchughcb
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Its becoming evident here finally.
This is what Elon Musk tweeted
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Sounds like the flu...
On the bright side, not only are you not in hospital, but youre well enough to tap away on the SD.
Feel better soon.
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