Omicron
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Had delta and omicron in the last 18 months not an issue. Had the squirts for 7 days last week that was far worse than covid !
Rasputin
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Times like this you realise why the Americans are so pro 2a. What a bunch of clowns I hope they riot and start a witch hunt. Not being able to go to work is just absurd for this.
timbrayford
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It might not be as simple as that, e.g. people with serious non-covid ailments such has cancers may well have succumbed prematurely due to neglect of NHS medical care with so much attention being paid to covid. I'd find the government & CMO's stance on this a whole lot more convincing if we had figures for mortalities from covid rather than with which may well be substantially over stating the impact of the disease.
So, get jabbed or...starve.
A version of that message has already been served up by our government on over 100k NHS workers.
That happened on our watch.
The people of the world need to find their voice.
This is insane. It is tyranny. It has nothing to do with public health.
Morkai
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They may back peddle a bit on the NHS mandate. I dont know.
This is what you are looking for
The excess mortality is clearly documented earlier in the thread
Covid will f&%k up more people long term than any vaccine risk.
At the moment 90 odd percent of people dying from covid or on ITU because of it are unvaccinated....... the vaccines work to prevent death or hospital admission from omicron which may contribute to the illusion omicron is "mild" I had a dose of it over Christmas and it was pretty awful....
I can first hand vouch for the fact that there is a significant excess mortality from the unintended consequences of lockdowns and disruption the medical care test is ongoing
Mother nature will get us in the end I have no doubt
There's no conspiracy. The sad fact is nobody really knows what to do for the best whilst Mother nature decides whether she's finished bending us over
As with everything there are genetic and environmental factors that determine how likely covid is to screw you up (eg most Japanese have a different lifestyle and genetic make up to the northwest of England....and covid loves to kill poor people who aren't in the greatest of health.
Getting vaccinated is more about social responsibility and selflessness than individual benefit for the majority of young fit and healthy people.
Ken
The excess mortality is clearly documented earlier in the thread
Covid will f&%k up more people long term than any vaccine risk.
At the moment 90 odd percent of people dying from covid or on ITU because of it are unvaccinated....... the vaccines work to prevent death or hospital admission from omicron which may contribute to the illusion omicron is "mild" I had a dose of it over Christmas and it was pretty awful....
I can first hand vouch for the fact that there is a significant excess mortality from the unintended consequences of lockdowns and disruption the medical care test is ongoing
Mother nature will get us in the end I have no doubt
There's no conspiracy. The sad fact is nobody really knows what to do for the best whilst Mother nature decides whether she's finished bending us over
As with everything there are genetic and environmental factors that determine how likely covid is to screw you up (eg most Japanese have a different lifestyle and genetic make up to the northwest of England....and covid loves to kill poor people who aren't in the greatest of health.
Getting vaccinated is more about social responsibility and selflessness than individual benefit for the majority of young fit and healthy people.
Ken
Morkai
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Thats not entirely true, the article released on 4th Jan by the BMJ with stats from ICNARC said around 61%.
It was Boris that said he was told by doctors it was above 90%
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Lies lies and damn statistics is the curse of all things covid related and it's easy to play my stat is better than yours 
I'm just writing from the coal face view of things and my understanding of the situation.
I'm quoting local hospital figures shown to me by a colleague who audited it in the last month not plucked from the sky
It is worrying that the actual figure nationally may be less to be honest as that could suggest vaccines offering less protection from hospitilision from omicron than with delta/alpha. There's a nice graph of cases going up but deaths not rising to the same degree though that seems to contest that though......
Too many variables in play to make full sense of it all eg what vax/combination is or isn't working.
Bottom line is some people are destined to get really sick with covid whilst the overwhelming majority will not and we don't fully understand why yet.
Being vaccinated means if you are one of the unfortunate few then you stand less of a chance of dying or ending up in ITU But there is still a small chance it will nail you anyway
Meanwhile if your knees are f$%Ed you will wait several years of painful misery and run the risk of breaking your hip and dying in the meantime.....if you've had a stroke wait 4h for ambulance when if you'd got there in an hour you could have maybe had thrombolysis and been cured....
Joyous isn't it?
I'm off to shorten my life with some good quality pesticide laced alcoholic poison made from grapes.....or maybe some of that lead filled venison in my freezer
Atb
Ken
I'm just writing from the coal face view of things and my understanding of the situation.
I'm quoting local hospital figures shown to me by a colleague who audited it in the last month not plucked from the sky
It is worrying that the actual figure nationally may be less to be honest as that could suggest vaccines offering less protection from hospitilision from omicron than with delta/alpha. There's a nice graph of cases going up but deaths not rising to the same degree though that seems to contest that though......
Too many variables in play to make full sense of it all eg what vax/combination is or isn't working.
Bottom line is some people are destined to get really sick with covid whilst the overwhelming majority will not and we don't fully understand why yet.
Being vaccinated means if you are one of the unfortunate few then you stand less of a chance of dying or ending up in ITU But there is still a small chance it will nail you anyway
Meanwhile if your knees are f$%Ed you will wait several years of painful misery and run the risk of breaking your hip and dying in the meantime.....if you've had a stroke wait 4h for ambulance when if you'd got there in an hour you could have maybe had thrombolysis and been cured....
Joyous isn't it?
I'm off to shorten my life with some good quality pesticide laced alcoholic poison made from grapes.....or maybe some of that lead filled venison in my freezer
Atb
Ken
Freeforester
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Surely it would be more socially responsible and selfless to take measures to prevent spreading and passing on the illness to others, which getting jabbed clearly does not do. The individual may ‘feel’ that they do personally benefit from being jabbed - as and when omicron finds them, they think or feel that they may/will get a less severe ride, although the evidence of this would need to take into account the overall health of the individual, etc - but this means nothing to those who get the illness from such jabbed people - their outcome is also dependent on their own individual health status and comorbidities. Vulnerable people can be better protected by preventing viral reproduction in the first instance, as has been shown elsewhere already:
Mr Myagi says best way to avoid the punch is not to be there
The comedy of thinking vaccination is some sort of magical shield and then pi$$ing off to the nearest football match, pub then family gathering is quite amusing. Having said that the lat flow tests do give some reassurance your not shedding w ough virus to infect everyone
Trouble with omicron is that it spreads so easily person to person that reducing replication will be tricky
Like all of this it's a matter of perspective and personal choice. I have many elderly patients terrified to socialise which has been damaging to their physical and mental health but equally
Once covid mutates into something that stops killing those vulnerable we can all relax
That's why I like stalking and shooting in general as I can disappear on my own well away from the infected masses
Never liked people anyways silver lining and all that
The comedy of thinking vaccination is some sort of magical shield and then pi$$ing off to the nearest football match, pub then family gathering is quite amusing. Having said that the lat flow tests do give some reassurance your not shedding w ough virus to infect everyone
Trouble with omicron is that it spreads so easily person to person that reducing replication will be tricky
Like all of this it's a matter of perspective and personal choice. I have many elderly patients terrified to socialise which has been damaging to their physical and mental health but equally
Once covid mutates into something that stops killing those vulnerable we can all relax
That's why I like stalking and shooting in general as I can disappear on my own well away from the infected masses
Never liked people anyways silver lining and all that
This ^^^^^^^^ (if possible for you).
I’ve had my 3 jabs and have staved off catching Covid throughout the period thus far, as far as I am aware (but decided the right thing to do was get the vaccinations anyway).
I’m fairly ‘lucky’ where I live a fairly sedentary lifestyle which I’m thankful for (most of the time).
Saying that, a fair few sedentary farmers and landowners that I know have caught it……go figure.
I think even in Brazil, this data rather undermines the link between Ivermectin administration and covid reduction.
To whit: The population of Brazil is 212 million. The data shows that 8.2 million doses of Ivermectin were sold in June. Covid deaths dropped 4 fold between June and September.
Is it logical to conclude that because roughly 4% of a population got themselves some Ivermectin, the prevalence of severe disease in the entire population dropped significantly? I'd say no. For Ivermectin to be effective (if it's effective at all in this context), people need to take a dose of it. 96% of Brazilians did not.
More likely explanation? Enough people had already had the latest variant by June to have simply acquired a degree of natural immunity, therefore cases dropped as the population was less permissive to the spread of the dominant variant. In parallel, most of those people who were at most risk of dying from Covid (due to other risk factors) had either already got it and died by that point, or had it and recovered. Ivermectin was somewhere between irrelevant and inconsequential.
Malone owns several patents relating to mRNA vaccines and was on the team that developed them. He doesnt recommend them for children. Or overuse.
He literally is the leading authority on this type of vaccine.
Yet some spotty tw@t on twitter obvs knows more.
Mass psychosis is at play and if youre not on Team Covid-Vax it upsets the weakminded with egos who believe everyone should copy, and give affirmation to, their choices. Mouth breathers and you can see their lips move when they read.
One only has to go any discussion about which calibre and you can read what people have bought for themselves needing the same affirmation. Sad really.
Some of us dont give a fig if another individual has one or three of these vaccines or uses other treatments. But it has certainly helped me grow my ignore list, after some re-additions.
Omicron is milder. Were all going to get it whether vaccinated or not. We will learn to live with it, and rue the day we permitted individual liberty to be sacrificed on the altar of the NHS and pandering to the genuinely thick and some unionised professions whose members just do not want to work. Plus the largest national debt since WW2 and highest tax rate in 70 years.
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That logic stands up well.
And mass natural immunity, not endless injections, is the logical endgame position for any pandemic.
Which begs the question as to why some populations are getting to low infection rates and others lagging.
The most striking global dynamic is the contrast between heavily vaccinated Israel and its much less-vaccinated neighbouring territories.
Freeforester
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DR. MIKE YEADON: COVID-19 LIES (FULL)
Main video source (to which I’ve added other footage, pictures, screen shots, etc) In Harm’s Way, The Highwire with Del Bigtree: https://www.bitchute.com/video/8KLmLNzkVD2k/ Studies/articles shown, ci
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Lies lies and damn statistics is the curse of all things covid related and it's easy to play my stat is better than yours
I'm just writing from the coal face view of things and my understanding of the situation.
Your view from the coal face is respected.
As is the opinion of the Doctor explaining to Sajid Javid why his natural immunity tops any protection conferred by intermittent injections.
The idea that these mass vaccinations are no longer a good idea are echo'd by Dr Clive Dix, the previous head of the vaccince task-force, in an article in the Guardian.
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