Thinking about a semi

Ludders

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I’ve started shooting sporting clays regularly. Nothing serious, just some informal fun. My shot gun at the moment is a beretta silver pigeon 2, 28 inch barrels fixed 1/4 and 1/2.

Just recently I’ve got it in my head I would like an extra couple of inches ( on my barrels ).

Now do I swap it in for another O/U with longer barrels and multi choke. I quite like the look of the beretta 690 field 3.
Or
Do I keep the silver pigeon and buy a semi auto. I had a Winchester sx3 when they first came out, and got on quite well with it.

What’s the thoughts of the collectives knowledge and experience
 
There's a lot to be said for shooting one gun, and knowing it well. Never managed it may self though 🤣.
Seems to be the one gun for all is often touted as being a 30" sporter.
 
Well, I sold my last o/u about ten years ago. I do most of my shotgunning with semi auto’s and pumps, except game shooting which I do with sbs. So my reply would have to be, buy a semi auto as you’ve got on well with one before.
 
I have a better hit ratio with my semi auto, more to do with gun fit than anything else.

I'm also happier using it in all weathers, especially since its rained every day we've had on the pheasants this season.
 
I used to shoot a 28" o/u and then bought a Beretta Silver Pigeon 5 about 15 years ago with 30" barrels. I have always wished it had been available with 28" barrels as I believe I swung the shorter barrels a lot better. Shorter barrels tend to be lighter and easier to swing. I have also heard the newer Berettas are not made as well as the older version.

You mention you HAD a Winchester semi - why did you sell it and what makes you think you would like another???
 
For years I mucked about changing shotguns, mostly o/u’s but with a few semi autos. Then I settled down with one gun (a 32“ barrelled o/u) the balance was brilliant, had it fitted properly and I haven’t looked back since. I do all my shooting with it now from driven, through pigeon and clays, and all the other shotguns are long gone bar a synthetic semi auto which gets used for odd jobs when the weather is really bad.
The most important thing IMO is fit, barrel length is up to you, though if it’s mostly for clays you might benefit from the steadier swing and tracking of longer barrels but make sure the gun isn’t too nose or stock heavy, you want it balanced nicely between the hands for good handling. Personally I prefer an o/u but if you shoot well with a semi, go for it.
 
I’ve started shooting sporting clays regularly. Nothing serious, just some informal fun. My shot gun at the moment is a beretta silver pigeon 2, 28 inch barrels fixed 1/4 and 1/2.

Just recently I’ve got it in my head I would like an extra couple of inches ( on my barrels ).

Now do I swap it in for another O/U with longer barrels and multi choke. I quite like the look of the beretta 690 field 3.
Or
Do I keep the silver pigeon and buy a semi auto. I had a Winchester sx3 when they first came out, and got on quite well with it.

What’s the thoughts of the collectives knowledge and experience
Competitive clay shooter so here goes:

Shoot one gun, stop changing.

Lots of US competitors shoot semi's as there is cannot be a mismatch between the two barrels point of impacts which can happen on o/u's. (On all guns no matter how expensive. Been there). Downside is you have to be confident shooting 2 targets with one choke. Most good guys don't change chokes, so not an issue. Some do though, so room for different approaches. Cleaning is a pita compared to o/u. Chuck shells around the place which you need to clean up - a) makes you unpopular b) pita. You may not be universally popular with your fellow shooters as everyone subconsciously relies on the broken gun to feel safe. Personally I don't like being near someone with a semi on a clay ground. Irrational but there you go.

If you want to shoot clays buy a Sporter model not field/game. The wee bit extra weight will help, broader ribs etc. Still works well in the field. Game models less so the other way around.

Only worth making the change if you are going to go 32". No practical difference between 28" and 30".

Everyone goes on about fit, no-one (only the top guys) think about dynamics which actually are more important. You have to adapt to a gun fit to an extent (no such thing as a perfect fit, so buy one with an adjustable rib and get someone to help you set it up) but if you get a gun with poor dynamics for you then it will always be a struggle. So a 6' 6" brute will never control a 26" skeet gun on a long crosser and a 4'11" whimp isn't going to get on very well with a 32" concrete fence post (early DT11's).

Choke - the reality is that once you get to 3/8 there is little difference between any choke to 3/4. It does exist, but it is very small. Husthwaite won the World FITASC shoot off with 1/4 and 1/4. He normally shoots 1/2 and 1/2 but thought the targets were really long and would regret losing if he didn't tighten up to 3/4 3/4. Mixed them up and only found out when packing for the airport! So don't sweat choke, just put the shot in the right place.

Shooting is about confidence and consistency. Pick something you like, don't fiddle with chokes all the time (just read the target) and stick with one gun.
 
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I used to own a 3 shot semi beretta a300 extrema- sold it, 😫 it was the gun I shot best with even on driven days I whacked more pheasant than I do now with my sxs. Must have just fitted better.
 
I would say, assuming your only use for this new shotgun is to dust clays, get a dedicated clay gun. The Silver Pigeon you've got is ideal for game shooting (28" with quarter and half chokes) except perhaps if you regularly shoot at stratospheric birds. It will also cope well on the clays. Indeed the Silver Pigeon is a best seller and can be put to any task. If you get a dedicated clay gun and you shoot other things, I'd keep the Beretta!

But for a dedicated clay gun, you could well go for a semi and do very well. Mostly, however, they are built for vermin control, with the bigger chambered examples for such things as geese. But if I were you, I'd look at an O/U 30" (maybe even 32" depending on your build) with changeable chokes (the protruding ones are easier to change on the job) that is made for the job. I won't name names as there's a great choice, all of which could or could not suit you. Of course this excellent new clay gun would be brilliant on those high birds, if ever you have a go at that. Maybe a bit of future-proofing.
 
My most accurate gun for clays is a 1950s long barrel Browning Auto 5 with a fixed full choke. It nails long crossers better than any of my other guns but I don't use it as much for clays as my Webley 700 side by side as it is pain in the backside having shells ejected all over the place when practicing.
 
Left eye leading right handed rifle shooter here so no he’ll to you on the advice front but I shoot a 30” Miroku MK60 GD5 and hit 65-75% after many years of perseverance
 
I’ve started shooting sporting clays regularly. Nothing serious, just some informal fun. My shot gun at the moment is a beretta silver pigeon 2, 28 inch barrels fixed 1/4 and 1/2.

Just recently I’ve got it in my head I would like an extra couple of inches ( on my barrels ).

Now do I swap it in for another O/U with longer barrels and multi choke. I quite like the look of the beretta 690 field 3.
Or
Do I keep the silver pigeon and buy a semi auto. I had a Winchester sx3 when they first came out, and got on quite well with it.

What’s the thoughts of the collectives knowledge and experience
Stick with what you have. Get a couch to check the gun-fit and your gun mount and then spend your hard earned pennies on clays and cartridges.

Or trade it in and spend best part of another £1000 or perhaps £2000 and be back where you started.
 
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