Ridiculous rates for ammunition will end recreational shooting

[A Guy Out West]

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This is the biggest part of the ammo/component shortage. For those who take the time to read the story, understand it was written by a Marxist. In order to get an accurate picture of what is really going on, reverse who he puts the blame on. It’s classic Marxism, blame the other side for what you are doing. I know 4 families that have left Oregon due to the Marxist takeover of our state. I am going as soon as I am able. What’s going on in the US today is similar to Nazi Germany in the 1930s. Some parts of the country are not as affected as my area, I live in just about the worst of it though.

 

[Taff]

Very little to do with the price of commodities. It’s being caused by the panic buying in the US.

No it is not, production of ammo dropped due to the shortage of commodities and covid infections, commodities are still in short supply, which has increased the price for commodities. In the USA the shortage was not helped by the government ordering extra handgun ammo which makers had to supply first as per contracts and the extra 7 million new gun owners.
As it stands now suppliers cannot guarantee delivery dates to outside the USA.
As you will know, vista outdoors own and are the supplier of Remington, federal, CCI.

 

[JTO]

Would you be happy to pay £100 or more for a box of 20 rounds?

Would you be happy to pay £100 or more to shoot a pest?

 

[A Guy Out West]

No it is not, production of ammo dropped due to the shortage of commodities and covid infections, commodities are still in short supply, which has increased the price for commodities. In the USA the shortage was not helped by the government ordering extra handgun ammo which makers had to supply first as per contracts and the extra 7 million new gun owners.
As it stands now suppliers cannot guarantee delivery dates to outside the USA.
As you will know, vista outdoors own and are the supplier of Remington, federal, CCI.

I’ll have to agree to disagree with you. If everyone in the US would stop buying ammo and components, you would have it coming out your ears in about 4 months.

 

[reiver]

was it €15 over?

Yes but most hunters only use a couple of rounds a season. There not in to target practice and normally just zero there scopes once and then never touch them unless they go wrong .
The average wage in Croatia is or was in 2019-20 around € 300 a month . They are also in the EU so it cannot be Brexit either ?

 

[gixer1]

May I enquire where I can some of these wonderfully priced bullets for 20p?

Powder and primer may be near 30p if you bought your kg for £85 and had no spills, but per use of reloaded case on top and in current market Id say more like 50p before the bullet is added.

Plus the hundreds/thousands spent on kit which is never added to the equation. But still worth it as a volume shooter.

I was wondering this - I’m around 79p a round at the moment for reloading. (Assuming 3 firings out of the brass) Not including the kit to reload as the cost is negligible across the thousands of rounds most have reloaded with it.

 

[gixer1]

If someone turned up with only 10 rounds I wouldn't allow the rifle to be used.

Why?

 

[kenbro]

Lot of primers already at £95 per hundred

I picked up 600 primers (200 LR, 200 SR and 200 SG) last Friday, £33.20 the lot.
Ken.
PS. Was that a typo……should have been per 1K?

 

[finnbear270]

Funny, .... Never calculated my cost per round.

 

[Bowland blades]

If someone turned up with only 10 rounds I wouldn't allow the rifle to be used.

Seriously? I cannot understand why , if a client puts three on the target he hasc7 left now to shoot one deer is not even an issue . That's still six rounds spare

 

[Bavarianbrit]

The new trick is just selling 10 rounds of magnum cartridges per box like Sako does!

My 70 y/o neighbour is the hunt leaseholder and he told me that RWS sold 10 packs years ago when German hunters were simple normally paid locals with iffy incomes in the 60s-70s. Times change.

 

[Reloader708]

I can see another thread developing here of how much ammunition we get through in a year.
My opinion....1000 rounds a year is not a lot!
There are those that say they only ever shoot at deer and making holes in paper is a waste of a bullet. I'm guessing an average recreational stalker might shoot 5 deer annually, couple of sighters, so a box of 20 is plenty. But i'd argue that to be fully competent with your chosen setup you need to get some range time in and that means affordable ammunition to send down range.
Perhaps if more of us did make use of practice time the overall cost of our ammunition would come down, and we'd be better shots for it.
Shoot more!!

 

[Dunwaters]

Must be a small scale thing, not feasible if you deal with Highland Game's numbers.

Scan a representative sample, if contamination is found send the lot back or charge for disposal.
This isn’t going to be rocket science, if your business model is based on nice clean organic, lead free produce then you’re going to actively police it yourself.
Why not ask a Tesco game supplier how they‘re going to manage?

 

[muddy42]

I've often thought it would be nice to have a .22 in the same make, weight, scope, trigger feel etc. as the deer rifle for practice purposes.

 

[Stalker-of-the-deer]

I had a heart attack a few weeks back. Needed some 308 ammo and the only stuff I could get was 50 quid a box!

Lead free stuff was 70 odd quid a box

 

[JTO]

I reckon the people that set the price for both stalking and ammunition are not worried about the cost of ammo or the price paid for venison.

 

[308tikka]

I've often thought it would be nice to have a .22 in the same make, weight, scope, trigger feel etc. as the deer rifle for practice purposes.

Tikka T3
TikkaT1x

 

[User00040]

Scan a representative sample, if contamination is found send the lot back or charge for disposal.
This isn’t going to be rocket science, if your business model is based on nice clean organic, lead free produce then you’re going to actively police it yourself.
Why not ask a Tesco game supplier how they‘re going to manage?

I would like to see if there is any detectable lead present in cleanly head shot deer, when the head is removed.

There are sometimes copper fragments/petals left in the carcass after copper bullets are used, I have found these occasionally by eye, but there must also be smaller fragments present that I can't see.

Anyone who denies this has insufficient experience, as this happens with copper jacketed lead bullets too.

I wonder what copper does to a mincer?

 

[finnbear270]

I would like to see if there is any detectable lead present in cleanly head shot deer, when the head is removed.

There are sometimes copper fragments/petals left in the carcass after copper bullets are used, I have found these occasionally by eye, but there must also be smaller fragments present that I can't see.

Anyone who denies this has insufficient experience, as this happens with copper jacketed lead bullets too.

I wonder what copper does to a mincer?

Stops it.

 

[Sash]

I was wondering this - I’m around 79p a round at the moment for reloading. (Assuming 3 firings out of the brass) Not including the kit to reload as the cost is negligible across the thousands of rounds most have reloaded with it.

44p per round for .222 Remington, 57p per round for .308W. In both cases using cases from loaded ammo I had bought.
With >300 cases of each, and onto my fifth loading of some .222s, I cannot see myself needing to buy new cases for many years, so the reloading cost is primer, powder, bullet.