Foxhounds uninvited appearance

[pop1]

All owned by my boss, timber land and sporting rights. Trespassed onto us from a meet some distance away.

But surely they can’t trespass by accident if they are drag hunting????

 

[pop1]

Fox hunts seem to be a law unto themselves where boundaries are concerned, always falling back on the argument that the hounds were on a scent and couldn't be stopped.
I had repeated problems over a number of years with the hunt entering parts of my farm where I'd specifically asked them not to go (generally these were fields containing heavily pregnant ewes that I did not want disturbed). Every year my request was ignored, and the same old excuse given. In the end I lost patience and shot one of the hounds. I have had no problems since.

But surely they should be on a scent that’s been laid with a drag?? So they shouldn’t actually be on ground they aren’t meant to be on??

 

[Ade8mm]

same could be said for a deer stalker carrying wire cutters , like you and me, do they carry wire cutters to cut wire fences to get a poached fallow buck out of there neighbours land easier ??
You have the tools , does not mean you are going poaching deer? Why assume a horse rider will cut fences To access to neighbours land? When there could be a legitimate case for carrying them- I have used my wire cutters more for taking loose shoes of horses then anything else.

You tell me @ Jon P

 

[TURNBOLT]

Don’t do anything personally.Leave it to your boss.If you say or do anything they will persecute you and the rest of your family mercilessly.They only left me alone when I showed one hunt committee member a plcture of a terrierman letting a fox out of a sack ,the date on the picture coincided with a visit from 2 very famous hunting people!!! When the terrierman turned around to see me and my mate his face was a picture in itself.He knew he was scuppered.

 

[Jon P]

You tell me @ Jon P

I don’t know you but I can vouch I don’t poach deer or cut fences when I out riding my horses

 

[pop1]

"Just remember" !
Yes I do. I remember how they said shooting foxes was inhumane and that they were "often only wounded" by shooters.
Happy to throw us lot under a bus.
I remember it well.

Well said!!!!

 

[Ade8mm]

@Jon P

I neither know nor care what you get up to. That is for your conscience alone. I am neither lawyer or judge.

What is clear from a lot of the above is many respondents have no idea , knowledge or experience of the matter in question whatsoever.

Some have and, who we are is clear to anyone who can be bothered to the whole thread.

(in response to the OP 's original question - remember that? @Stalker1962 's response answered it perfectly quite a while back)

As to the rest..

Welcome to the internet.

For the record I marched for liberty in Sept 2002, Did you are where you still in nappies?

 

[VSS]

Not even slightly like it VSS unless you can confirm that the hounds knew that they weren't allowed on that piece of ground and like naughty kids they chose to go there anyway? Is that what you're suggesting?

Isn't it the huntsman's job to keep the hounds under some sort of control and on land where they're meant to be? I bet he knew exactly where they were and weren't allowed to hunt. Anyone who's running dogs loose in the countryside ought to be able to keep them under control and recall them when required. End of.

 

[pop1]

You perhaps don't realise how true that is. I'm younger than most on here and the common feel certainly among my own circle of outdoor-minded folk who go out stalking and shooting is that fox hunting is not to be defended - too many callous aspects of it and difficult to justify it's existence as "pest control". My fear is that while it exists, in it's death throws it may take other activities with it. And yes, you can a similar spin on pheasant shooting too. Not necessarily the small syndicates or small, local game days but big commercial outfits releasing thousands and thousands of birds a season definitely

Fox hunting is not to be defended. This is where my concerns lay.
I work in the north of Scotland and we have a population of caper in the area I work. Large tracts of woodland that despite many many hours at anti social times of the day we can’t get every fox we know is there. We rely on a foot pack to flush foxes from cover and onto lines of guns. We do it strictly by the book, and we need to be able to carry it out.
Unfortunately, most members of the public, and no doubt, most mp’s, when they think of fox hunting think of mounted packs. It’s their behaviour, and reluctance to abide by the law that may well end what we do. This infuriates me!!!! We rely on foot packs as a very efficient conservation tool. To lose this method will be be disastrous!!!!
After their remarks as previously posted regarding rifle shot foxes, they have no pity from me, and I doubt I will be wasting my time going on the next march they plan

 

[Jon P]

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[mudman]

Good use of wire cutters.

However...

Having previously rested my case I am happy to reopen on this one.

There may well be reason to cut wire (fences). My post was in particular in response to Finches's post.

I too always take secateurs (capable of wire cutting) when I go on a stalk

I often use them to prune a branch or, if the Munties are not showing I take the opportunity to clear the shooting lanes.

What I do not do is take them (wire cutting devices) with me because I MAY encounter an obstacle for my horse or hound somewhere I do not have permission to be for which I may need wire cutters.

Are you saying a burglar should be allowed to carry breaking in equipment "in case he sees an opportunity "to burgle" - premeditation?


Same same

Mmmh


Aye. Ade

Wire cutters are not for clearing wire fences that prove to be an obstruction but for cutting wire to free horses or hounds, something which needs doing asap if an animal gets trapped.

 

[Jon P]

@Jon P

I neither know nor care what you get up to. That is for your conscience alone. I am neither lawyer or judge.

What is clear from a lot of the above is many respondents have no idea , knowledge or experience of the matter in question whatsoever.

Some have and, who we are is clear to anyone who can be bothered to the whole thread.

(in response to the OP 's original question - remember that? @Stalker1962 's response answered it perfectly quite a while back)

As to the rest..

Welcome to the internet.

My conscience is clear, have a good evening

 

[pop1]

The estate I look after has banned our local quite well known hunt for not playing the game. They were warned not to go near the villages, so what did they do, drew a piece of rough on the edge of one village, found and ran through people's gardens. This obviously caused ructions and blame on the estate for letting the hounds come.

And this behaviour is exactly why mounted packs are alienating the public. People who may well have spoke positively of the hunt would change their opinion very quickly after that happening. They are their own worse enemy

 

[Ade8mm]

Wire cutters are not for clearing wire fences that prove to be an obstruction but for cutting wire to free horses or hounds, something which needs doing asap if an animal gets trapped.

Yet another who missed the point. Jeeesus .

Context Mudman , context.

Come on

Get with the programme. (reading all the above might be a start)

 

[Sharpie]

Isn't it the huntsman's job to keep the hounds under some sort of control and on land where they're meant to be? I bet he knew exactly where they were and weren't allowed to hunt. Anyone who's running dogs loose in the countryside ought to be able to keep them under control and recall them when required. End of.

That's the job for the whipper-in. Assuming that the hunt has anyone competent to do that. BTW I did go with the foot beagles once, many many years ago, in the Lake district. I thought I was fit, but it nearly killed me. No horses and riders involved. Fair chase I thought.

 

[Ratel]

That's the job for the whipper-in. Assuming that the hunt has anyone competent to do that. BTW I did go with the foot beagles once, many many years ago, in the Lake district. I thought I was fit, but it nearly killed me. No horses and riders involved. Fair chase I thought.

If you thought the beagles were bad you should have tried the foxhound packs.

 

[AGR]

who eats pheasant

I do!

 

[JMikeyH]

I have run a pack of beagles through my pheasant drives, go back two hours later pheasants and deer are back, as to the people who posted they can see no reason for fox hunting, I see no reason for private ownership of firearms for deer control or fox control, all can be carried out by a competent professional in half the time, or come to that pheasant shooting, absolutely pointless who eats pheasants.
Think what you wish for.

You seem to have mixed up the words "reason" and "justification" old chap.

Fox hunting is not to be defended. This is where my concerns lay.
I work in the north of Scotland and we have a population of caper in the area I work. Large tracts of woodland that despite many many hours at anti social times of the day we can’t get every fox we know is there. We rely on a foot pack to flush foxes from cover and onto lines of guns. We do it strictly by the book, and we need to be able to carry it out.
Unfortunately, most members of the public, and no doubt, most mp’s, when they think of fox hunting think of mounted packs. It’s their behaviour, and reluctance to abide by the law that may well end what we do. This infuriates me!!!! We rely on foot packs as a very efficient conservation tool. To lose this method will be be disastrous!!!!
After their remarks as previously posted regarding rifle shot foxes, they have no pity from me, and I doubt I will be wasting my time going on the next march they plan

Very fair point, I'll hasten to add that what you describe there, i wouldn't roll in with mounted traditional fox hunts. That sounds like a perfectly justifiable use of hounds for pest control

 

[308tikka]

If you (hypothetically) won the euromillions and decided to buy a large estate full of deer, possibly also great for pheasant and partridge, would you permit the local hunt to ride on your land, whether or not they had done so with permission of previous owner?

 

[pop1]

You seem to have mixed up the words "reason" and "justification" old chap.
Very fair point, I'll hasten to add that what you describe there, i wouldn't roll in with mounted traditional fox hunts. That sounds like a perfectly justifiable use of hounds for pest control

That’s the problem though. Average joe hears the words fox hunting and instantly think of mounted packs. They don’t know the difference. Thats my gripe with mounted packs, their actions will affect my ability to do my job, and all the other keepers and stalkers who rely on foot packs. From my experience, the impact on conservation will be severe!!