Seen it a couple of times. Some of them are pretty static in their habitations, works both ways allegedly.
Foxhounds uninvited appearance
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Rasputin
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Not sure you can legitimately claim that a fox died instantly when it’s chased by a marauding pack across a few fields
Not sure you can legitimately claim that a fox died instantly when it’s chased by a marauding pack across a few fields
Ah, but did the fox die "with" running or "because of" running?
countrryboy
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Must admit thats wot i was wanting to know too
But if hounds not broken to deer they mibbee have a wee chase on a pheasant too?
So might have done more damage than i would of expected with a decent pack.
The kennel man or huntsman really can't be up to much if they are regfularly running on deer, is many areas down south not hooching with muntjac?
Just as well there not actually after foxes then as it sounds like they'd never follow the line consistantly drawing of on to a munty.
The pack i shot with most often hunted a lot of ground with a serious number of deer on it and never looked at them even once, same with stock and pheasants, but the huntsman knew his stuff, and a lot of his hounds were cast offs/rejects from other mounted packs too
I mind twice watching the old mounted pack a long long time ago, by chance both times were drawing the same wood, not a massive wood but very thick with windblow, was like a maze and that estate had their own pack so strict orders not to shoot any foxes.
If the fox/hounds made it to that wood it was day over they just ran around in circles as quite a few foxes in there and even if 1 flushed out of the cover they could never get the hounds out as always 1 or 2 singing on compeltely different foxes inside the wood
If ther hounds are hunting on munty it must be a nightmare for them, not good at all.
Rhodesianjess
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Sorry for late reply,been shooting today as well. Birds in the woods concerned scarce compared to what was expected or seen on feed rides, this late in the season they're as jumpy as hell. Hounds certainly did me no favours.
In fact,we blanked gamecover into one wood, straight through to push birds into next wood,shot that that one to get the numbers expected.
Two deer killed is lost revenue, not much granted but still lost!
All in all, not happy state of affairs.
On shoot today chatting with guest guns,appears we're not the only place with gripes. New huntsman this season, seems he needs to get an O.S. map out and start learning his country
It died of a severe bite to the back of the neck but it did have underlying health problems.Ah, but did the fox die "with" running or "because of" running?
Sorry for late reply,been shooting today as well. Birds in the woods concerned scarce compared to what was expected or seen on feed rides, this late in the season they're as jumpy as hell. Hounds certainly did me no favours.
In fact,we blanked gamecover into one wood, straight through to push birds into next wood,shot that that one to get the numbers expected.
Two deer killed is lost revenue, not much granted but still lost!
All in all, not happy state of affairs.
On shoot today chatting with guest guns,appears we're not the only place with gripes. New huntsman this season, seems he needs to get an O.S. map out and start learning his country
As you say, not a happy state of affairs.
I don't envy the huntsman, particularly if he's come in from outside of the country as opposed to being promoted from within.
If it's his first season he will have been very reliant on his whippers-in and field master to assist whilst he "learns" his country.
That's not to say he bears no responsibility......or that he might have encouraged the hounds regardless.
Either way, the masters are the ones that need to be spoken with and who should sort everything out. Hunts rely on good relations with farmers and landowners, and can ill-afford to lose ground at the best of times, let alone through their own actions and failings.
Rhodesianjess
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Had hounds from same pack puking my pheasants up two/three field away from the nearest woods when we let them cubhunt some years back
Have you told the hunt that there deer are hunting deer ? As to pheasant not returning to the woods you answered your own question pheasants went back to feed rides, obviously a shortage of food there to hold pheasant, why are you trying to hold pheasants on your boundary anyway, or do you dog in the neighbours land, which if a neighbour would **** me off, if you are driving the birds back to the middle of your shoot like you should be the hounds have done you a favour.
Anyway this thread is now being kept going by the usual anti fox hunting members
Anyway this thread is now being kept going by the usual anti fox hunting members
Rhodesianjess
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Woods concerned are an average of three fields off actual boundary line. I hand-feed every two days. Hoppers everywhere they're needed. I don't dog in the neighbours. I'm a professional who's good at my profession or I'd have been fired.
Please bear in mind that the hounds had our dates when I get them, generally in May whilst incubator is full.
Not chasing Charlie, just out trespassing on
Sorry I misunderstood imagined woods on boundary.
Rhodesianjess
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No problems.
foxdropper
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Something seriously awry with hounds even looking at deer let alone killing them .Did they break them up ?
Lost for words on that really suffice to say I’d like to think it was the huntsman s last season hunting hounds .
Lost for words on that really suffice to say I’d like to think it was the huntsman s last season hunting hounds .
countrryboy
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Going slightly off topic but for those that know about hounds/hunting.
Would the huntsman definately know they had killed a deer in the middle off a wood??
Guessing it would be hard to know if ur mounted on the edge of the wood?
Wether he did or didn't know, he will know now, how the hell would u go about stopping something like that???
Could it be just 1 or 2 hounds and the rest of the pack will join in??
How the hell would u tell which hounds are the 1's with the problem?
I imagine pack mentality would really kick in esp around a kill/screaming deer.
I also imagine now others have killed/get the taste it will be far harder to control/stop in future
I just can't even imagine how u try to keep control of such a large number of dogs at the same time, esp working and even more so being hounds, not exactly the sharpest knifes in the dog world.
I know wot its like working groups of dogs picking up, even when ur dogs generally are steady throu the drive, u send 1 on a runner mid drive and the rest are just looking for the chance to bolt, and once 1 bolts there all off.
Like someone else said before about whippets and i can imagine that, no matter how well u think they are trained they're always wanting to hunt/chase and its never that far away below the surface, a split second laspe in ur concentration and they're off.
With the small size of muntys would a hound be more likely to chase 1 rather than other deer??
So could be ok with roe/fallow or red?
My final hound question, is it 100% bred into/natural for a hound to hunt a foxes scent??
If most hounds nowadays should never really have hunted a fox (legally) why do they still pull off the artifical trials thats been laid to follow a fox?
Or are they still trained to hunt a foxes scent.
U see other dogs/breeds and u have to train them the scents to work
Cheers
Would the huntsman definately know they had killed a deer in the middle off a wood??
Guessing it would be hard to know if ur mounted on the edge of the wood?
Wether he did or didn't know, he will know now, how the hell would u go about stopping something like that???
Could it be just 1 or 2 hounds and the rest of the pack will join in??
How the hell would u tell which hounds are the 1's with the problem?
I imagine pack mentality would really kick in esp around a kill/screaming deer.
I also imagine now others have killed/get the taste it will be far harder to control/stop in future
I just can't even imagine how u try to keep control of such a large number of dogs at the same time, esp working and even more so being hounds, not exactly the sharpest knifes in the dog world.
I know wot its like working groups of dogs picking up, even when ur dogs generally are steady throu the drive, u send 1 on a runner mid drive and the rest are just looking for the chance to bolt, and once 1 bolts there all off.
Like someone else said before about whippets and i can imagine that, no matter how well u think they are trained they're always wanting to hunt/chase and its never that far away below the surface, a split second laspe in ur concentration and they're off.
With the small size of muntys would a hound be more likely to chase 1 rather than other deer??
So could be ok with roe/fallow or red?
My final hound question, is it 100% bred into/natural for a hound to hunt a foxes scent??
If most hounds nowadays should never really have hunted a fox (legally) why do they still pull off the artifical trials thats been laid to follow a fox?
Or are they still trained to hunt a foxes scent.
U see other dogs/breeds and u have to train them the scents to work
Cheers
Totally agree, I think if they were given to option of banning shooting in the 90's so hunting could continue, we would be slung under the bus without a thought
countrryboy
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Thats wot i thought, just like any other dog breed, but sometimes u do get things almost instinctively bred into them, may folk say that about german/DD lines of GWP and there hatred of cats, i've only had danish line GWPs and never had a problem but u do hear a lot of folk mention it
So if most hounds are younger than the ban why do u still get them drawing off over boundries like in the OP's case hunting fox scent, when they should be focussed purely on the artificial scent.
Fox scent should bejust another scent and not associated with a hunt
If the artificial scent is so similar to fox scent they should change it.
I'm north of the wall so this whole artificial trial thing is completely foreign to me and i've never quite understood the point
Heym SR20
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Just asking an utterly thick question. Surely if they were trail hunting why did the trail go anywhere near to areas where hunt has been asked not to go.
Frankly reading the sort of behaviour and lack of respect for others property and livelihoods its not surprising that hunts have had a hard time with the legislators and getting local support.
Frankly reading the sort of behaviour and lack of respect for others property and livelihoods its not surprising that hunts have had a hard time with the legislators and getting local support.
Rhodesianjess
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I have trail cameras to cover entry points in my woods, I have the estate pretty well covered. Never have I caught a hunt servant laying a trail.
They are quite blatantly hunting foxes, I get stick from them for the lack of foxes on us whenever they draw us.
Their lack of respect for other people's land is breathtaking,they go where they like. Even after verbal and written communication,they still ignore your wishes. They totally ignore the fact that foxhunting was banned 2005, the excuse generally that hounds ran onto us by accident.
This really is the last straw for my employer, who's not anti foxhunting at all. His late father in law was MFH. He still has his hunter, these days just a hack around the estate is all he does. It's the blatant disregard for his wishes that's annoyed him and to top it all, now they have affected his and his guests sport.
They've only got themselves to blame when they lose 2000 acres of country.
Bo Diddley
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Greenmist, you're not getting the point, it's not a question of banning one field sport to save another. When hunting falls the anti-field sports mob will start on the next one down the packing order. If you remember all the matches to London by pro field sports supporters to try and stop/overturn the hunting with dogs ban, you must also remember that it was a real cross-section of all folks that partake in-country activities, we had hunting folk, shooting folk, fishermen and even a lurcher chap that ****ed of more than one of the keepers that sat on our coach down to London. We stood united on those marches and we still should!
