indeed crap law, I guess if somebody only has .223rem for example they can only buy small rifle primers.
knee jerk law poorly though out with a goal of fixing a problem that never existed, but being seen to have done something to justify their jobs.
Primers and powder
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indeed crap law, I guess if somebody only has .223rem for example they can only buy small rifle primers.
knee jerk law poorly though out with a goal of fixing a problem that never existed, but being seen to have done something to justify their jobs.
You're wrong and as an RFD you should know this
The bill specifically states - Of the relevant kind - So if you don't have a pistol calibre on ticket then pistol primers are not a relevant kind of primer, if you only have small rifle calibres then large rifle are not relevant, reading further on purchsing for a friend without a certificate of authority is not allowed either.
35Restriction on sale and purchase of primers
(1)This section applies to a cap-type primer designed for use in metallic ammunition for a firearm.(2)It is an offence for a person to sell to another either—
(a)a primer to which this section applies,
(b)an empty cartridge case incorporating such a primer,
unless that other person falls within subsection (3).
(3)A person falls within this subsection if—
(a)he is a registered firearms dealer;
(b)he sells by way of any trade or business either primers or empty cartridge cases incorporating primers, or both;
(c)he produces a certificate authorising him to possess a firearm of a relevant kind;
(d)he produces a certificate authorising him to possess ammunition of a relevant kind;
The intent of the act is pretty clear and the main thrust was making it harder to make elicit ammunition, pistol ammunition in particular
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So that’s how you justify it.
an RFD cannot accept a SGC as justification to buy metallic primers. Was stated so in black and white in the letter my friend got from the home office who was in the same situation.
We’ll I guess that rules out CBC cartridges for non FAC holders then
Or if possible get a friend with a FAC to buy them. Like a lot of these bolt on bright ideas to reduce gun crime it is poorly thought out, prior to Brexit SIARM would just post them to anybody in the U.K and normally at a lower price than in the U.K. shops.
No,
You have interpreted "Relevant" as you see fit and have drawn the distinction as Pistol vs Rifle Centrefire primers.
That is not defined in either case law or the VCR Bill
I can think of a number of reasons why someone may wish to use primers that are not of the obvious type YOU have limited them to with your interpretation.
Shotgun primers are regularly purchased by people with Westlake Pistols
There is no "ammunition" allowance for a Nitro powder fueled muzzle loader.....
So what would the "relevant kind" be?....
Technically speaking they are not reloading for shotguns
I am talking primers specifically, not powder.
Until there is case law to refer to it is all down to interpretation, I think you are wrong, you think you are right.
I’d wager if a case came to court that I’d be right and you’d be wrong, until then, you disagree with most RFDs, let’s just hope the case isn’t against you.
Either way you shouldn’t be selling to someone ‘buying for a friend’.
shotgun primers are exempt from the vcr bill it only applies to metallic cartridge primers, ie rifle and pistol.
This will come here too - i'm certain. You will need a 'reloading' condition on your FAC, with limits on quantities primers/powder you can have on hand just like ammo.You don‘t know how lucky you are!
In Germany we have to acquire a licence to be allowed to buy reloading powders.
In order to get such a licence we have to follow a course for usually tow days and then pass a test. And the licence has to be renewed every five years with a full check of your personal background by the federal police. This alone takes up to three months.
On buying the powder the dealer has to register every single tub of powder by means of a newly introduced unique ID number (EU law) and he also needs to note this down in your licence as the maximum quantity within five years is usually limited to 25 kg.
Primers however, which contain the real explosive, can be bought freely by anyone over 18.Completely nuts.
Any interest in 600 of the below?
K
K
I found another 127 70 gr .257 I’ll swap them with you?
palmer_mike
Well-Known Member
I’m not so convinced that it will.
I’ll bring them with me. I’ve had them since at least 1987 though, albeit always stored at room temp and no damp.
K
Sounds a plan
Thing is - without ammunition, guns are pretty much useless. I could potentially see tighter controls on reloading as it is far easier than criminals illegally importing illicit ammunition. Just needs one incident where the ammo is home made, and we'll have another knee jerk reaction.
palmer_mike
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There have been many instances of ammunition being made for criminal use. Some in the news over the last couple of years where ammo was made for obsolete calibre handguns.
There has been no knee jerk reaction……..
What a nanny country we want to live in before Brexit ANYBODY could buy from SIARM Italy, via the post, primers, bullets and cases, they did not care about U.K. laws.
Powder was always controlled via the Explosive regulations and ER2014 made it necessary to be a SGC or FAC holder to purchase it.
Stupid laws like the VCR bill and metallic primers are never going to stop criminals or terrorists as the laws don’t apply to them, only the law abiding follow laws and the Firearms act has all that is necessary to lockup anybody making or holding ammunition that is not licensed.
let’s not encourage restrictions just for the sake of it.
Powder was always controlled via the Explosive regulations and ER2014 made it necessary to be a SGC or FAC holder to purchase it.
Stupid laws like the VCR bill and metallic primers are never going to stop criminals or terrorists as the laws don’t apply to them, only the law abiding follow laws and the Firearms act has all that is necessary to lockup anybody making or holding ammunition that is not licensed.
let’s not encourage restrictions just for the sake of it.
Indeed - and i'm thankful. There have been many shootings too, and we've not had further gun bans. There is no logic to it - politicians react to public sentiment as much as they do to the facts on the ground. As we've seen before, it just takes one egregious or heinous event - and the knees start jerking.
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