How much ammo do I need for DSC1?

[bfltd0]

It all depends on the honesty of the individual.

The rule is that you must fire the DSC1 shooting assessment using factory-loaded rounds.

If you wish to cheat and ignore the conditions of the test by using homeloads, it matters little the method by which you cheat.

You have still cheated.

 

[User00040]

A colleague of mine runs a lot of DSC1 courses and he tells me he has only ever had experienced stalkers and shooter fail the shooting test, normally the ones who think the test is too easy!

It can be passed with an air rifle.

 

[User00040]

But with regards to your second point I would never want to feel rushed to take a shot on an animal. that shot should not be taken in my opinion and seems an unrealistic situation. I agree that there could be a set time limit, maybe from the 1st shot.

Wayne Gretzky said you miss every shot you dont take, how ever when it comes to shooting I look at it like I can never regret a shot I haven't taken as nothing can go wrong by not taking the shot.

 

[Sharpie]

It can be passed with an air rifle.

No it cannot. Unless it is a very special FAC air rifle, with a small deer condition. Of which I would suggest there are none in the UK. 1000 fpe air rifle ? I think not. The test must be taken with a deer legal rifle and ammunition.

It is a reasonable test I think. If you can't clear it at first or second try, then you shouldn't think of shooting deer (or any other thing) IMO.

A low barrier perhaps, particularly for those who can do better, but it is what it is.

Deride it by all means, but, BTW, do you reckon you could clear it ? When did you last test yourself ? Or are you one of the old school types who never have, zero 1"high at 100 yards (paced out), deer fall over dead (mostly) etc. Who also deride DSC education and testing.

 

[Free range rob]

I’m afraid to say, in my opinion, if the dsc shooting test cannot be passed with relative ease, I would not want you on my ground after a deer

 

[Rory]

No it cannot. Unless it is a very special FAC air rifle, with a small deer condition. Of which I would suggest there are none in the UK. 1000 fpe air rifle ? I think not. The test must be taken with a deer legal rifle and ammunition.

It is a reasonable test I think. If you can't clear it at first or second try, then you shouldn't think of shooting deer (or any other thing) IMO.

A low barrier perhaps, particularly for those who can do better, but it is what it is.

Deride it by all means, but, BTW, do you reckon you could clear it ? When did you last test yourself ?

I think it was tongue in cheek, meant to imply that the shooting standard required to pass could be easily achieved with an air rifle.

 

[VSS]

I’m afraid to say, in my opinion, if the dsc shooting test cannot be passed with relative ease, I would not want you on my ground after a deer

I would say the opposite. It should not be something that is passed with relative ease. It should be sufficiently difficult to ensure that an appropriate proportion of the candidates fail. If everyone were to pass with ease then it's no test at all.
Someone who has undertaken a difficult test and just about passed would be more welcome to stalk with me than someone who's sailed through an easy one.

I was as nervous as hell going into my shooting test, and found it quite challenging (I had very little prior experience at the time), but passed in the minimum number of shots. Other, more experienced shooters, full of confidence and assuring me that the shooting test was going to be the easy bit, did not pass first time.

 

[Free range rob]

I would say the opposite. It should not be something that is passed with relative ease. It should be sufficiently difficult to ensure that an appropriate proportion of the candidates fail. If everyone were to pass with ease then it's no test at all.
Someone who has undertaken a difficult test and just about passed would be more welcome to stalk with me than someone who's sailed through an easy one.

I was as nervous as hell going into my shooting test, and found it quite challenging (I had very little prior experience at the time), but passed in the minimum number of shots. Other, more experienced shooters, full of confidence and assuring me that the shooting test was going to be the easy bit, did not pass first time.

My point was, the test is so simple that if you fail it you cannot shoot.
To be quite frank, the level of shooting I saw on the test was abysmal, mostly from the guys who had spent the week telling everyone how much shooting they were doing and how many hundreds of deer they shot each season…..
One guy who had never shot a deer prior to the course, had only been shooting a couple of yrs and had no background in field sports, clover leafed each position

 

[VSS]

My point was, the test is so simple that if you fail it you cannot shoot

Yet people do fail it, even experienced shots. Always some excuse such as having given their scope a bit of a knock that very morning!

 

[Highfield]

It all depends on the honesty of the individual.

The rule is that you must fire the DSC1 shooting assessment using factory-loaded rounds.

If you wish to cheat and ignore the conditions of the test by using homeloads, it matters little the method by which you cheat.

You have still cheated.

wrong only some trainers or ranges ban reloads. nothing to do with the test

 

[Free range rob]

Yet people do fail it, even experienced shots. Always some excuse such as having given their scope a bit of a knock that very morning!

And it always amazes me just how many do fail and yep, always the same type of excuse

 

[Free range rob]

Yet people do fail it, even experienced shots. Always some excuse such as having given their scope a bit of a knock that very morning!

I have taken a few people out on deer, just favours and friends, I’m NOT a guide.
The last fella had a little experience but not masses, he was quiet and asked questions and took the info on board, he nailed 3 munt bucks at varying distances, as fast as he could cycle the bolt, all dropped on the spot without a flinch or kick, with a strange rifle to him.
Another guy had been all over the country and shot multiples of every species in the uk, confident as you like, strode off to get his deer, had all the paperwork under the sun, and had been shooting all his life, with his own rifle, 5 shots later and the deer was just about still standing and had to be finished off.
I know which one has the invite to return

 

[bfltd0]

wrong only some trainers or ranges ban reloads. nothing to do with the test

No, sir, you are incorrect. This wording is taken directly from the BASC website:

If bringing your own rifle, it must be a deer legal calibre. Ammunition should be factory produced (no home loaded ammunition). .22 centrefire ammunition must have bullet weight of 50 grain or more and produce at least 1,000 ft lb of muzzle energy.

 

[Highfield]

No, sir, you are incorrect. This wording is taken directly from the BASC website:

If bringing your own rifle, it must be a deer legal calibre. Ammunition should be factory produced (no home loaded ammunition). .22 centrefire ammunition must have bullet weight of 50 grain or more and produce at least 1,000 ft lb of muzzle energy.

Yeah a basc rule not a dmq one. think you better check again what the corect answer is.

 

[Sharpie]

I think it was tongue in cheek, meant to imply that the shooting standard required to pass could be easily achieved with an air rifle.

Not really, shooting an air rifle, be it FAC or sub 12 fpe, at 100 metres, or even 70m, is quite a challenge. Can be done (I enjoy it).

 

[Sharpie]

Yeah a basc rule not a dmq one. think you better check again what the corect answer is.

Yes that is a BASC or BDS rule, where you shoot as a member of their (HO approved) club, as if you were a new provisional member, under their insurance conditions, which may proscribe home loads.

Other providers seem to let you use whatever you have, or use their rifle under the "estate rifle" provision. Though that could be a legal minefield.

I don't think it is cast in stone by DMQ

 

[bfltd0]

Yeah a basc rule not a dmq one. think you better check again what the corect answer is.

I quoted the correct answer for the course I completed.

And on which no-one cheated by using handloads.

 

[Highfield]

The rule is that you must fire the DSC1 shooting assessment using factory-loaded rounds.

sorry but this is what you rote and its not corect . just cos your trainer added there own rules dont make it right. just trying to help other folks not be misled .

 

[Highfield]

Yes that is a BASC or BDS rule, where you shoot as a member of their (HO approved) club, as if you were a new provisional member, under their insurance conditions, which may proscribe home loads.

Other providers seem to let you use whatever you have, or use their rifle under the "estate rifle" provision. Though that could be a legal minefield.

I don't think it is cast in stone by DMQ

not bds. checked all this a couple of weeks ago and bds were fine with reloads think it is only basc that add in there own rules

 

[bfltd0]

sorry but this is what you rote and its not corect . just cos your trainer added there own rules dont make it right. just trying to help other folks not be misled .

Happy to clarify it is a BASC rule, as that's the course I did and I complied with the rules (and passed the shooting assessment first time, so it must be easy).

Personally, I see nothing wrong with specifying a deer-legal calibre (it is a deer-stalking course after all).

Or that the round has to be the legal minimum energy for taking small deer.

Or that these rounds are factory loaded, as this tends to ensure that the muzzle energy is reached. After all, who knows what velocities/energies are coming out of a reload?