foxdropper
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I’ve seen fallow antlers at night through the pulsar accolade Bruce .Hard antler .
Night vision and law
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Fallow antlers have a lot of surface area and even after a day with a little sun they can absorb enough heat to make them visible with thermal.
I've seen the the same thing with roe, but not distinct at all and only at close range
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Bruce
I've seen the the same thing with roe, but not distinct at all and only at close range
Cheers
Bruce
foxdropper
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Ok so what sets aside a contractor from an amateur setting out to shoot as many as poss in daylight .There must a huge difference to gain any numbers in daylight as apposed to night time .
foxdropper
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Nowt wrong with my grammar mate .
You claim plenty of contractors don’t need to work nights .I’m merely asking what sets them aside from Joe average doing his best to get numbers within the law of the land that Joe has to adhere to .
Thermal shooting at night would indeed account for many more deer in the right hands as would NV .
I don’t get the night laws in this country where deer are so plentiful and need culling .Draconian laws that need bringing into our techno age .
You claim plenty of contractors don’t need to work nights .I’m merely asking what sets them aside from Joe average doing his best to get numbers within the law of the land that Joe has to adhere to .
Thermal shooting at night would indeed account for many more deer in the right hands as would NV .
I don’t get the night laws in this country where deer are so plentiful and need culling .Draconian laws that need bringing into our techno age .
I said ‘ not all contractors need to work at night ‘ .. which I think is fair . Plenty of contractors in Scotland meet there targets with limited night shooting , I believe in England it’s harder to get night licences which is a problem and it should be available for use if needed . No doubt in my mind that I couldn’t work without thermal . 
You can be rest assured if wee Nicola gives the thumbs up to joe the recreational stalker to use thermal for deer it will be licensed and probably cost you money to use it .
Getting rid of closed season for males is another of the Scottish Deer Group recommendations
Pulsar C50 is a good bit of kit. Enables shooting deer legally in the first/last minutes when a 2.5k dayscope cant gather enough light for a shot. I could easily tell the difference between roe and fallow and also bucks and does with my Ward Tceptor 55-6 thermal scope at 150m no bother. Imagine the price per KG at the gamedealer if night shooting was permitted south of the border !
foxdropper
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We’d be paying them Steve .
Why the stop on shooting deer through the day with a night vision though ,ie your c50 in scotland
Because of this https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1985/1168/pdfs/uksi_19851168_en.pdf
Look at section 5b
"It shall be lawful to use a sight which is NOT light intensifying, heat sensitive or other special device for night shooting"
Because the C50 can be used for night shooting, it means it cannot be used at ANY time for legally shooting deer in Scotland
Cheers
Bruce
Look at section 5b
"It shall be lawful to use a sight which is NOT light intensifying, heat sensitive or other special device for night shooting"
Because the C50 can be used for night shooting, it means it cannot be used at ANY time for legally shooting deer in Scotland
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Bruce
Not illegal in England as long as within time and no IR is used
Foxyboy43
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“which is NOT light intensifying”
Hmmm. I take it this excludes all the high-end “light-gathering” traditional scopes too?
Yes illegal in Scotland at the present time but that might change.
Not Scottish Roe they have always been here
there numbers were never deplete up here like they were in England.
Just something to think about.
Numbers are high and need controlled.
So do you get more stalkers out or shoot at night?
If you shoot at night the deer will possibly move on as there will be no safe place for them to lie-up.
So the risk is by harassing them day and night they move somewhere where they aren’t harassed and the cull figures for the ground go down.
Secondly if deer are constantly being moved due to stalking day and night, will their eating habits change and carcass weights drop?
I’d like to know if anybody noticed anything in either case where deer are shot at night.
Numbers are high and need controlled.
So do you get more stalkers out or shoot at night?
If you shoot at night the deer will possibly move on as there will be no safe place for them to lie-up.
So the risk is by harassing them day and night they move somewhere where they aren’t harassed and the cull figures for the ground go down.
Secondly if deer are constantly being moved due to stalking day and night, will their eating habits change and carcass weights drop?
I’d like to know if anybody noticed anything in either case where deer are shot at night.
No, because they do not intensify the light, they merely gather it in via the objective lens and pass it through the lens system for the user to see a magnified image.“which is NOT light intensifying”
Hmmm. I take it this excludes all the high-end “light-gathering” traditional scopes too?
The order dates from 1985 when the only NV technology available was what we now commonly call tubed NV, but is actually a light intensifying system where photons of light enter one end of the tube and cause a few electrons to be ejected from the first electrode, be accelerated towards another electrode where they eject more electrons. This process continues at each electrode until at the far end of the tube there can be more than 100,000 electrons resulting from a single photon entering the tube. When these electrons hit a phosphor screen at the far end of the tube they cause a dot of visible light to be produced
So, a single photon of visible light (which would not be detectable by the human eye) has been intensified to a level where it is visible to the human eye.
It has been argued (and I think correctly) that digital NV is not covered by the phrase "light intensifying" because digital NV does not work by intensifying existing light. However it is covered by the phrase "special device for night shooting" because digital NV is a device which is capable of night shooting - even although it can also be used in daylight
Hopefully these archaic rules will soon end and NV and thermal will be allowed when shooting deer in Scotland
Of course poachers have been using them in Scotland for years, but (and I stand to be corrected) I am unaware of anyone being prosecuted for using NV or thermal to shoot deer in Scotland
Cheers
Bruce
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