Uk Primer Supplies and Stock
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Explosives Regulations 2014
The new Explosives Regulations 2014 (ER 2014) and the Acetylene Safety (England and Wales and Scotland) Regulations 2014 (ASR 2014) will come into force on 1 October 2014.
Yes, all of which should make it pretty clear why I posted.
really what part is your concern that a photo of a few thousand primers is a concern as you have no idea what the op has as a total NEQ.
Yup, I'll explicitly state what the issue is and by doing so, spell it out for anyone reading this who wants to ring false alarm bells...
Speak to an RFD or FAC holder who is renewing their license/certificate and encountering problems with regards to the sale and/or storage of reloading components and you might realise what selective application of the aforementioned guidelines could mean...
There have been threads about this already, think along the lines of certain forces mandating that rifle powder (which is a propellant, not an explosive, although this fact is not recognised) be stored in individually partitioned wooden cointainers.
Yes, I have read it too... and before you jump all over me for stock piling, my powders and primers are both stored this way.
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Yup, that's another senseless 'requirement' that we want to avoid up here like 'cleared land'.
Bavarianbrit
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that comes from L150
Guidance on Regulations – Safety provisions
but note it states (5) should not must, so logical conclusion is it is guidance not law.
Surly only the person acquiring and keeping the shooters powder can decide if it is senseless depending on individual circumstances and risk, sandyb being a good example.
Shooters’ powder
2 Shooters’ powder includes both black powder and smokeless powder.
3 The powder should be kept in containers with no more than 1 kg of powder
per container. The containers should be constructed in such a way that, in the event of a fire they do not provide additional containment that will either increase the explosive force of any deflagration or cause smokeless powder to detonate. Normally plastic/polythene or paper/cloth containers should be used. Metal containers with a screw cap or a push-in lid must not be used.
4 Although shooters’ powders are generally not very sensitive to ignition by electrostatic discharge, homeloaders or others who decant the contents of plastic containers should take care to reduce the risk of static electricity build-up. Advice on precautions may be sought from the manufacturer.
5 The containers of powder should be kept in a box constructed of plywood with a minimum thickness of 18 mm and a maximum thickness of 24 mm.
6 Where the box holds more than one container, each individual container should be separated by a 6 mm wooden partition that is securely fixed to the outer walls of the box. Each compartment should allow 30% additional height between the top of the container and the inside of the lid.
7 There should be a good seal to prevent a flame path between the lid of the box and the interior. An intumescent strip should be fitted around the edges of the lid to give a good seal or alternatively, a stepped lid or internal second lid should be fitted.
8 The box should be constructed so that there is no exposed metal on the inside. Internal nuts should be covered by a glued wooden liner not less than 6 mm.
9 Figure 1 shows a box that would meet the requirements set out in the previous paragraph.
The fact is recognised that is why it is classified 1.3c and some now 1.4c rather than a higher risk say 1.1
And pigs might fly
I do like happy endings, but fear your probably correct.Yes, I've been told CCI primers are increasing 80%, from £53.60 / 1000 to £100 / 1000, but as others have highlighted, they are other non-mainstream manufacturers.
Slightly off topic, whilst trying to source a particular Aimsport moderator and visiting Highland Outdoors website, to find they are no longer importers, their website still lists these as being in stock, but a few phonceacalls later, to be told their website is out of date.... So much so, that when you look and visit, they don't have stock of very much at all, including bullets
8x57
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Hardly surprising as their website was pretty poor in the first place.Slightly off topic, whilst trying to source a particular Aimsport moderator and visiting Highland Outdoors website, to find they are no longer importers, their website still lists these as being in stock, but a few phonceacalls later, to be told their website is out of date.... So much so, that when you look and visit, they don't have stock of very much at all, including bullets
The same to be said for Edgar Brothers...
Were these not to be the main importers to the UK for most things shooting related? I'd be curious as to their profit margins and business viability as they seem to have fallen way behind the market
It's businesses we need to look to, to get us through the current and past shortages and supplies... I wouldn't rely on the government other than to demand taxes, and take, take, take, 'providing' very little unless it suits their agenda.
They do so unlawfully
Thats a Black Powder storage container
You think the importers bring them in individually wooden boxed up?
Think the retailers do?
This is GUIDANCE, Not law
Guidance on Regulations – Safety provisions
Shooters’ powder2 Shooters’ powder includes both black powder and smokeless powder. (No it doesnt, one is explosive, one is a propellant, one requires an Acquire+Keep document, one does not)
3 The powder should be kept in containers with no more than 1 kg of powder
per container. The containers should be constructed in such a way that, in the event of a fire they do not provide additional containment that will either increase the explosive force of any deflagration or cause smokeless powder to detonate. Normally plastic/polythene or paper/cloth containers should be used. Metal containers with a screw cap or a push-in lid must not be used.
4 Although shooters’ powders are generally not very sensitive to ignition by electrostatic discharge, homeloaders or others who decant the contents of plastic containers should take care to reduce the risk of static electricity build-up. Advice on precautions may be sought from the manufacturer.
5 The containers of powder should be kept in a box constructed of plywood with a minimum thickness of 18 mm and a maximum thickness of 24 mm.
6 Where the box holds more than one container, each individual container should be separated by a 6 mm wooden partition that is securely fixed to the outer walls of the box. Each compartment should allow 30% additional height between the top of the container and the inside of the lid.
7 There should be a good seal to prevent a flame path between the lid of the box and the interior. An intumescent strip should be fitted around the edges of the lid to give a good seal or alternatively, a stepped lid or internal second lid should be fitted.
8 The box should be constructed so that there is no exposed metal on the inside. Internal nuts should be covered by a glued wooden liner not less than 6 mm.
9 Figure 1 shows a box that would meet the requirements set out in the previous paragraph.
@Edinburgh Rifles , I agree with you, but a relatively well known RFD just south of the Border faced this issue.
When licensing departments can stonewall your renewal, what can you do but comply?
At least Police Scotland applies common sense for the most part...
When licensing departments can stonewall your renewal, what can you do but comply?
At least Police Scotland applies common sense for the most part...
Yes absolutely, and it's a mandate for some of the petty Hitlers in HSE and local authorities. I worked for a gunshop for a while whose local inspector was one such and made up instructions as he went along. No powders could be kept in the main shop, not even empty bottles on a high out of reach shelf used for display purposes. All powder had to be kept in the warehouse behind the shop limited to (IIRC) 40lb total and had to be stored in a segmented wall-mounted wooden cabinet with front doors kept closed and locked at all times except when inserting or removing powder. (There were some rules too on who had access to the key and cabinet.)
This outfit held a lot of shotgun cartridges in its warehouse in a to the roof stacking system. This officious pr**k mandated that entire vertical sets of storage shelving had to be divided and designated between ammunition and inert products and could only be used for one or other, the ammo sections liberally plastered with the 1.3 UN etc hazard diamonds and printed notices advising the (one) warehouseman that only explosives or non-explosives could be stored therein. Then when you'd have thought that nothing else could be mandated, he picked up on the carboard cartons shotgun cartridges came in from the manufacturer. They each had a hazard diamond on the top surface visible when the box was sitting in front of you, but not from the sides when stacked. He decided that either every box on a pallet, or maybe only those facing outwards on the shelves had a hazard diamond attached by the shop staff on the side before stacking so that every stored box on all five or six levels displayed one. Despite the big signs saying 'explosives only' and large hazard diamonds slapped all over the shelving.
stonewall which renewal FAC, SGC or RFD?
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