Scots_stalker
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i will second that wee man , pauls helped me no end and ive not even met him yet lol
DSC 1 Shooting test
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i will second that wee man , pauls helped me no end and ive not even met him yet lol
Scots_stalker
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my last 6 rounds tonight , the inner yellow circle is 3 inches
Scots_stalker
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lol waaaaaaaay ahead of you , next saturday n sunday
Scots_stalker
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thanks apache, i will nprint some of these off
Scots_stalker
Apologies if I'm repeating something you already know, but just be aware that the link is only for the zeroing target. In the test itself you will then need to put 3 shots into that and then 6 shots into "the killing area of a deer"
In the olden days the deer target was shaded and you could work out where to shoot from the shading, now it is just a black silhouette of a deer, see here: http://www.bds.org.uk/paper_targets.html You might want to get a roe silhouette target and get some practice on that as well.
willie_gunn
Scots_stalker
Check with your test provider what test you are going to be asked to do. Tests and targets still vary and only your course provider can tell you what test you are going to be asked to sit. When I did my DSC I, all shots were taken from a prone position.
Good luck. JCS
Check with your test provider what test you are going to be asked to do. Tests and targets still vary and only your course provider can tell you what test you are going to be asked to sit. When I did my DSC I, all shots were taken from a prone position.
Good luck. JCS
JCS
I am not trying to start an argument but I'm intrigued by your post.
The quote that I included above comes direct from the DMQ website. You can read the full DSC1 Assessment Criteria here: http://www.dmq.org.uk/dsc1assessment.htm
The whole point of DMQ is that it ensures that standards for DSC1 and DSC2 are valid and consistent regardless of Assessment Center. Put bluntly, there is no "flexibility" in these rules, and there should be no variation of tests and targets! Thus if your particular course allowed you to take all the shots from a prone position then the shooting test you undertook clearly didn't meet the criteria of the DSC1 Shooting Test
I realise that we live in the real world and that "rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men", but I am sure DMQ would have some interesting questions for your Assessment Center
willie_gunn
JCS
I am not trying to start an argument but I'm intrigued by your post.
The quote that I included above comes direct from the DMQ website. You can read the full DSC1 Assessment Criteria here: http://www.dmq.org.uk/dsc1assessment.htm
The whole point of DMQ is that it ensures that standards for DSC1 and DSC2 are valid and consistent regardless of Assessment Center. Put bluntly, there is no "flexibility" in these rules, and there should be no variation of tests and targets! Thus if your particular course allowed you to take all the shots from a prone position then the shooting test you undertook clearly didn't meet the criteria of the DSC1 Shooting Test
I realise that we live in the real world and that "rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men", but I am sure DMQ would have some interesting questions for your Assessment Center
willie_gunn
I agree regarding what you say about the shooting test, but there are differences depending on who is running it BDS
BASC etc when I did mine a long time ago admittedly, for the 70 yard shots where I have read sitting or kneeling we were given no choice , told it was sitting and that was it.
Also some insist on calibre legal for all deer ie .240 , I shot mine with .222 which they were quite happy for me to do
I could have used a heavier calibre as I had one with me. one other guy that was there also shot it with .22 centre fire
Now this may be due to the fact the difference in firearm calibres allowed North of the border
Also some tests for highland stalkers its a Red deer target and the distances are different think its 150 yards for the furthest shots, don't know if this test is still done or whether everything has been standardised, but certainly was when DMQ was first introduced.
Could this be the test that JCS sat?
eggy s
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If you have only used the same Ammo then try a different brand.
I had to change my brand the other day it was spraying all over the place, 10 rounds in a 8 inch group.
I got some other ammo off the keeper and clovered the first 3 shots. Some ammo just does not work in some rifles.
bogtrotter
Those are interesting points. I don't think the actual "deer" in the target matters - at least DMQ don't specify it must be a roe, red, etc - it just has to be within the killing area. So as you say it may be more sensible to use a red deer shaped target in Scotland. The choice of a deer legal calibre would also have logic behind it, though I seem to recall an earlier thread on this site a few weeks ago arguing the pro's and con's of whether this was actually necessary.
So far as the 150 yards in Scotland, whilst I understand the logic I don't believe that is considered in the DSC1 shooting test. Hopefully someone will be able to confirm authoritatively!
willie_gunn
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As far as I'm aware the test is standard and follows a set procedure.
Paul at Fechan
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test is:
3 shots prone into the zero target
2 shots @ 40m deer silhouette (standing off sticks)
2 shots @ 70m deer sihouette (sitting or kneeling)
2 shots @ 100m deer sihouette (prone)
you can shoot the distances in any order but all shots must be in the target area (aim at the middle of the obvious a4 insert card lol)
For all shots you may use any normally carried equipment so for prone shots bipod you can stick your slip rolled up or rucksack under the butt for extra stability, Standing off quad or tripod sticks etc, sitting or kneeling of extended bipod legs.
All gear on standby for a loan even my rifle which passes many many shooting tests when candidate rifles are huffy
3 shots prone into the zero target
2 shots @ 40m deer silhouette (standing off sticks)
2 shots @ 70m deer sihouette (sitting or kneeling)
2 shots @ 100m deer sihouette (prone)
you can shoot the distances in any order but all shots must be in the target area (aim at the middle of the obvious a4 insert card lol)
For all shots you may use any normally carried equipment so for prone shots bipod you can stick your slip rolled up or rucksack under the butt for extra stability, Standing off quad or tripod sticks etc, sitting or kneeling of extended bipod legs.
All gear on standby for a loan even my rifle which passes many many shooting tests when candidate rifles are huffy
devilishdave
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Thats not good a few simple checks would be to make sure the barrel is fully floated and get your trigger safely adjusted or replaced to break at a nice crisp weight not causeing you to pull the trigger and be sure you are not suffering from flinch then I would look at ammunition and the barrel but I suspect that if you have not done much shooting it will probably be one of the former problems.
Dave
Willie this had me thinking, as I knew that I had heard of the highland shooting test.
Tried googling it some reference to it but could find no details.
However dug out an old DSC level1 training manual
QUOTE, The assessment is in 2 parts - it can only be taken with a legal calibre for the area involved i.e. .240 or larger
in England and Wales but most .22 centrefires in Scotland and soft point ammunition must be used. The first requirement is to put 3 shots in a 4 inch circle at a range of 100 metres.[ the recommended position is prone but if a candidate wishes they could shoot free standing] a rifle pit or simulated high seat are alternatives, the later often the choice of disabled shooters. Bi-pods, rolled coats. rucksacks ,etc, are allowed as an aid. Three attempts are allowed in any one day and candidates are expected to present themselves for test with rifle correctly zeroed. At all BASC assessments hearing protection must be worn by all persons at or near the firing point, and are recommended for all full bore rifle shooting at all times. this part must be passed before moving to part 2.
The target for part 2 is a deer target. BASC centre tests and many others use a colour photograph of a Fallow doe with a circle of the prescribed size, approx six and a half inches marked in the heart/lung area. Because of the colour of the deer the circle cannot be seen through the telescope sight so the candidate must memorise the centre of the circle and aim accordingly. the course of fire is2 shots at 100metres under the same conditions as the zero practice. Then 2 shots from 70 metres sitting or kneeling[ candidates choice] with long Bi-pod or sticks as an aid. Then 2 shots at 40 metres standing with sticks. All 6 shots must be within the prescribed circle and 3 attempts are allowed in one day.
A HIGHLAND VERSION IS ALSO AN OPTION IN SCOTLAND PART 1 IS 3 SHOTS IN A 4 INCH CIRCLE AS IN THE LOWLAND VERSION. THEN A RED HIND IS THE PART 2 TARGET WITH AN 8 INCH CIRCLE PRESCRIBED. THE COURSE OF FIRE IS 2 SHOTS PRONE AT 150 METRES THEN 2 SHOTS PRONE AT 100 METRES THEN 2 SHOTS AT 100 METRES IN ANY POSITION EXCEPT PRONE.
UN QUOTE,
I don't know if this option is still available or not but it sounds like this may have been the version that JCS sat
bogtrotter's memory and records are better than mine. It was a Highland shooting test that I did some years ago.
Also as part of the course I shot a nice hind. Everyone on the course got at least one beast.
willie_gunn - The point I made near the start of the thread and in previous threads is, before you compete or sit a test, check with the organiser what the course of fire is going to be. Then practice it.
Regards JCS
Also as part of the course I shot a nice hind. Everyone on the course got at least one beast.
willie_gunn - The point I made near the start of the thread and in previous threads is, before you compete or sit a test, check with the organiser what the course of fire is going to be. Then practice it.
Regards JCS
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Brithunter
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Oh please
a rifle that is properly bedded even one ............................. shock horror with a barrel fore stock pressure bedding point should and will shoot well. More classic rifles have been ruined by this free floating mantra being spouted than anything else. I suppose screw cutting for moderators will eventually catch up on the amount ruined.Free Floating is the CHEAP way for manufacturers to avoid doing a proper inletting and bedding job.
devilishdave
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Oh please
Free Floating is the CHEAP way for manufacturers to avoid doing a proper inletting and bedding job.
And your advice is???????
As they say if you have nothing to say, say nothing.
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