British Midland Gun in .270 Winchester

Rsl

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Hi everybody!

I have the opportunity to acquire in Spain a second hand British Midland Gun bolt action rifle in .270 Winchester, made in England. The rifle is in very good condition, bore is excellent as it has shot less than 50 rounds, it has belonged to just one owner and he is asking for 400 euros (approximately £340).

All I know regarding Parker Hale rifles is that Santa Bárbara manufactured the actions for some models. However, I apologise for my ignorance since I know nothing about this particular Midland model. What sort of reliability, accuracy and quality are to be expected? Any field experience with these rifles? I would appreciate any thoughts to enlighten my judgment.

Many thanks
 
It was Parker-Hale's budget rifle. A sporter on a surplus military action (Springfield, I think- not a Mauser but just as horrible).
That sort of money would buy something worth owning like an older Tikka.
 
Nice rifle, nice calibre. If you like it, buy it. You won't regret it.
It does seem rather expensive though.

Parker-Hale rifles are both reliable and accurate, solidly constructed workhorses. Nothing fancy, but they get the job done.
I have a couple, and won't be changing them any time soon.
 
It was Parker-Hale's budget rifle. A sporter on a surplus military action (Springfield, I think- not a Mauser but just as horrible).
That sort of money would buy something worth owning like an older Tikka.
Not quite!
Parker Hale acquired a large quantity of Springfield 1903 bolts and manufactured a receiver of their own design that would accommodate the bolt. They then raided the usual parts bin for all the other bits and pieces.
It was definitely a budget rifle and when first offered for sale was advertised new at £160, I remember the advertisements, but others have said that they were even cheaper than that.
They aren't bad for a cheap rifle; I've owned one myself, but they were never the same quality as their K98 based rifles. I would put the value on one in reasonable to good condition as £150.
 
The Midland Gun Company was a totally separate business to Parker Hale for most of its life, only being acquired in 1962. They made a lot of guns, mostly for the trade, that would have the local gunshops added and final finishing done. Their guns were nothing fancy - just good solid working shotguns and rifles that were exported all over the world.

Spain also had a flourishing gun trade, and still does. The Spanish used the Mauser rifle and a major facilities in Spain making mausers. After WW2 and the complete demise of German military infrastructure, there was still a strong demand for mauser based sporting rifles, especially of the British style and many new mauser actions from Spain were used by all of the British makers in the 1960’s and 70’s including the likes of J Roberts & Sons who by that time owned Rigby’s.

More details on Midland Gun Company that I found on Double Gun Forum.

The Midland Gun Company was founded in 1888 by Joseph Lightwood of Court, 16 Bath Street. All the Lightwood family, about 15 of them, were outworkers in the Birmingham gun trade, stockers, finishers, action filers and gun implement makers.
In the late 1880s the larger gun making firms such a P Webley & Son, W & C Scott and Westley Richards were producing the bulk of Birmingham's guns. The smaller gun makers and outworkers did not have the expertise to market their products and services and found it difficult to compete with mass production. In 1888 Joseph was one of the first in the gun trade to produce a catalogue, as opposed to brochures and pamphlets, of the products the Lightwoods made or could supply from other trade makers. They established the Midland Gun Company.

The Midland Gun Co was recorded in 1889 at 76 Bath Street, they may have had additional premises in Price Street. These and some subsequent changes of address may reflect changes of the principal offices of the company rather than actual acquisition and disposal of premises.

Joseph, the father, was recorded in the 1891 census living with his wife and two daughters. In previous censuses he had described himself as a gun stocker then as a gun action filer, but in this census he described himself as a gun manufacturer so he considered himself on or near the same social level as makers like the Scotts, Webleys, and Westley Richards.

Joseph died in 1896 and the company was reportedly bought by H Ludlow England who in that year also bought Holloway's shareholding in Holloway & Naughton. It is not known who or how many Lightwoods were employed by the company. In about 1897 the principal offices moved to 80 & 81 Bath Street, but the 76 Bath Street premises appear to have been retained.

By 1900 Joseph, the son, appears to have returned to his former business as an outworker.

Frank W Lightwood (b.1875) was the youngest son of William Lightwood, a gun implement maker in Birmingham. The 1901 census records him living at Bellevue, Ballifeary Road, Inverness, Scotland, with his wife, Ada (b.1873 in Hitchin, Hertfordshire) and his mother-in-law, Esther (b.1850 in Hitchin). Unusually and somewhat grandly he described himself as a small arms gun maker which suggests that he had been and perhaps was still employed by the Midland Gun Co, possibly to find customers for Midland products in Scotland.

Frank may have ceased being directly employed by the Midland Gun Co and became an agent because from about 1909 to about 1922 he was recorded as a gun and rifle maker at 12 Market Place, Brigg, Lincolnshire (see George Hockey, Charles Leonard, John Lofley and Lincolnshire Gun & Ammunition Co). In the 1911 census he was recorded as a gun maker living at 12 Market Place with his wife and mother-in-law, but he seems to have had a close relationship with the Midland Gun Co and may have loaded cartridges for them. Both Frank W Lightwood and Midland Gun Co sold a cartridge under the name "Four Best".

In 1913 Frank (sometimes incorrectly recorded as Frederick W Lightwood) opened a branch at 122a Cleethorpe Road, Grimsby, Lincolnshire. The Midland Gun Co had a branch at 127 Cleethorpe Road from about 1909 and Frank may have been involved in this (see Frank W Lightwood). Grimsby had been a major whaling port where other gun makers had established offices to promote their harpoon guns, but this may not have been the reason for Midland's Grimsby premises. Both of Frank Lightwood's shops in Brigg and Market Rasen closed in about 1922. Frank died in 1925 but who took over his business is not known.

In about 1903 the principal offices of the Midland Gun Co moved to Price Street but in 1909 returned to 77 Bath Street and it seems that by this time the factory was called the "Demon Gun Works"; the company had adopted a naked male demon as its logo (engraved on the butt plates which were sometimes made of pierced steel), they applied the name "Demon" to their top grades of guns and cartridges.

In 1928 the company's address was 76 & 77 Bath Street, and at about this time the company had an office in London where they sold a wide range of guns, pistols and shooting equipment made by British and foreign manufacturers. They had a small wholesale export market, and they made components e.g. actions for the trade.

In 1941 the principal offices moved to 10 Bailey Street, Birmingham, possibly because of wartime bomb damage, but in 1942 these moved to 74 Whittall Street.

In 1952, the company, then a shadow of its former self, was bought by Parker-Hale.

In 1959 the Bath Street premises were given up and the company's only address was 74 Whittall Street.

In 1962 the Midland division of Parker-Hale, as in then was, moved to 55 & 56 Price Street, it closed in 1964. At this time the manager of the Midland division was Harold King who left to establish his own business in Birmingham.

Some reports say that Parker-Hale continued to use the Midland name on its guns up to about 1970.
 
Some reports say that Parker-Hale continued to use the Midland name on its guns up to about 1970.
Parker Hale used the Midland brand name on various products later than 1970 but I'm not sure if they used it from then on other than on cheap shotguns that they bought in from mainly Italy and rebranded. That is until they used the name again when they brought out the Midland rifle sometime in the very late 1970's or early 1980's.

The Midland rifle was fitted with the same hammer forged barrels that Parker Hale was well known for, so accuracy could be very acceptable provided that the rifle was bedded correctly. Just a pity that they decided to fit that "tacky" ornate floorplate rather than a plain floorplate that would have given the rifle a more basic classic look.
 
Parker Hale used the Midland brand name on various products later than 1970 but I'm not sure if they used it from then on other than on cheap shotguns that they bought in from mainly Italy and rebranded. That is until they used the name again when they brought out the Midland rifle sometime in the very late 1970's or early 1980's.

The Midland rifle was fitted with the same hammer forged barrels that Parker Hale was well known for, so accuracy could be very acceptable provided that the rifle was bedded correctly. Just a pity that they decided to fit that "tacky" ornate floorplate rather than a plain floorplate that would have given the rifle a more basic classic look.
I have to agree with you , the floorplate was just plain ugly . They were fairly common out here at the time . They were a decent rifle for the price , but I saw a lot with cracked stocks . It is very dry out here and isn't unusual to see it happen with higher priced rifles , so not really a reflection on the rifle I guess . They were better than a lot of entry level rifles being sold today .

AB
 
I have to agree with you , the floorplate was just plain ugly . They were fairly common out here at the time . They were a decent rifle for the price , but I saw a lot with cracked stocks . It is very dry out here and isn't unusual to see it happen with higher priced rifles , so not really a reflection on the rifle I guess . They were better than a lot of entry level rifles being sold today .

AB
For the price that the rifle originally retailed for and allowing for dealer mark ups Parker Hale couldn't have been paying a lot for their stocks on this rifle. My guess would be that they could only have been paying £5- £10 at most to the Italian supplier so hardly surprising that the wood wasn't the best.
 
I thought the Parker Hale Midland was along the same lines as the 1100,1200 and Safari.
No Keith the 1100, 1200 and various other models like the scout, 1200 clip and the M81/M82 were based on the K98 action. The Parker Hale Midland was definitely based on a surplus 1903 bolt, built around a receiver of their own design.
My memory is a bit clouded on this but wasn't the Scout also called the 1300?
 
Attachments might be of interest. I never did know what model my own .270 was. The attached with the roe is the only photo I can find but it had a fore-end unlike any in the advert. Back to the OP....I wish I hadn't sold mine and would certainly buy another
 

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Attachments might be of interest. I never did know what model my own .270 was. The attached with the roe is the only photo I can find but it had a fore-end unlike any in the advert. Back to the OP....I wish I hadn't sold mine and would certainly buy another
Can't upload the other photos for some reason
 
Keith, I think the problem was that Parker Hale tended to use whatever parts were immediately to hand at the time of production so that some models varied slightly from standard. Plus of course it's been a long time since they last produced any rifles and most that are still around just may have been altered slightly by their owners over the years.
My first centrefire was a 1200 Safari in .270win. A very accurate rifle and I wish now that I still had it. I never had any issues with the Parker Hale mounts and rings on that rifle, but I did on another rifle some years later. This brought me to the conclusion that if I ever owned a Parker Hale rifle after that I would always immediately change the cheap allow mounts and rings for reasonable quality ones made of steel.
 
No Keith the 1100, 1200 and various other models like the scout, 1200 clip and the M81/M82 were based on the K98 action. The Parker Hale Midland was definitely based on a surplus 1903 bolt, built around a receiver of their own design.
My memory is a bit clouded on this but wasn't the Scout also called the 1300?
I Concur. Looking at this video - the bolt is certainly unlike mine.

 
I can't tell from the photograph what model you had Keith but if I were to guess I would say an 1100.
Not shown in the catalogue that you posted is the 1100 lightweight. For some reason I always fancied the stock on those but many commented that they were horrible to shoot. PH discontinued that stock design after what seemed like only a few years.
 
I can't tell from the photograph what model you had Keith but if I were to guess I would say an 1100.
Not shown in the catalogue that you posted is the 1100 lightweight. For some reason I always fancied the stock on those but many commented that they were horrible to shoot. PH discontinued that stock design after what seemed like only a few years.
It was a very light rifle and in .270 with no mod used to flip a bit. The stock was nice with the rosewood cap on the pistol grip with a white spacer between. It had a bit of Monte-Carlo and was a high polished beech - not walnut.
 
I had one or two in part exchange and they benefited from decent scope mounts as some of the bores weren’t correctly aligned with the grooves on the receiver
Windage adjustable mounts being the answer.
I deflated a retired keeper who offered me his 30.06 with 6x40 Nikko mounted by telling him it wouldn’t fetch £40 in the auctions and only if an idiot was bidding
 
To the OP it is massively overpriced! These things using, as said, Springfield 1903 bolts make not even £80 here at auction and gunshops can't sell them. Spare firing pins if you need then will be however hugely expensive as what spares exist will all have been exported back to the USA. Pass it by. Leave it. It's at least FOUR TIMES over its value. And BTW likely a twenty-two inch barrel. To use an British saying...someone is having your trousers down!



 
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