Firearms renewal and grant anyone doing anything about the generally abysmal turnround ?

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I am sure this message is widespread in the shooting community as it will also apply to just SGC renewals etc. Has anyone urged their orgs to pursue this ?
Anyone written to the Police and Crime Commissioner for their area ?
Any clubs written collectively or individually NRA for example ?
anyone written to their MP ?
I have done nos 2 AND 4 - My MP took this up last year PCC is a bland, non-committal Covid/resources.

I am getting to the stage where I wonder if everyone might succeed in moving things if we called for a Public Inquiry, given the effect of Public Safety ?
 
I think that the main problem is that police forces in general have too many areas to improve on and their timeliness with firearms licencing is pretty far down that list. Roads policing is largely something of the past at the moment, the only major enforcement in that direction is with ANPR and cameras it seems. You can drive from one end of the country to the other without seeing a patrol car, and I've done that! Many crimes are not really investigated too deeply or not at all due to time and lack of personnel, with most investigative resources being tied up on major enquiries or, the favourite at the moment, "county lines" drug enquiries. Smaller crimes, previously investigated by patrol officers aren't, because of the requirement to attend too many jobs, leaving no time. Anyway, a patrol officer daring to arrest someone for anything can pretty much be taken out of the equation for the rest of his shift, adding to the general malaise.

I'm not sure that all that is the police's fault although you could argue whether they have the right priorities. They are one of a number of organisations vying desperately for government money, such as the NHS, Border Patrol (did you see the story the other day where a Border Patrol officer was arrested for being an illegal alien), the Ambulance Service and so on. Ultimately the lack of public funds is down to a couple of main issues, those being the large expenditure by the government during Covid and that darned Putin and his antics. Although the musical chairs at Number 10 really didn't help, where it seemed everyone was having a go at getting a Prime Minister's pension.

I suspect, eventually things will improve, but how long that might be is anyone's guess. 10 year certificates would be good, although I suspect there's those that would oppose that. But even extending certificates by a couple of years would help. And you could argue with the backlogs now, that's perhaps becoming a reality by the back door.
 
VSS said:
I've never personally experienced any delays with either grant, renewals or variations. All have been processed (and approved) in a timely manner. So nothing to complain about.
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Same here!

I am in for renewal next year for both FAC and SGC I’ll fill my ticket with ammunition and let them get on with it, as long as i am legal, they can take as long as they like!
 
Hmmm. Number of current threads covering this already. If shooters accept dismal service then they cannot complain when it continues.
As per posts on other threads write to the CC complaining and asking for an explanation and if they have cashed your payment threaten to take him to court for breach of Sale of Goods/Services.
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Personally I had no issue with my renewal this month. New FAC issued day before old one expired.had a phone call to collect it from police HQ due to postal strikes.
I could not use the on line form so went old school and posted hard copy and also backed it up with an emailed copy to firearm licence section. No problem for me luckily.
 
I really can't see the problem, My renewal has been in since July, I emailed them a few weeks ago incase I had missed any correspondence as I asked them to email me due to working away, I had a return email saying they are working on it but just carry on shooting and it'll be fine, I received an extension letter around 2 weeks ago so just continuing as normal.
 
kes said:
I am getting to the stage where I wonder if everyone might succeed in moving things if we called for a Public Inquiry, given the effect of Public Safety ?
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Two things.

What effect on Public Safety?

Who is this "we", you again refer to?

For the sake of avoiding any confusion, both questions are rhetorical, so please don't waste any time on trying to answer them.
 
You should really sit back and look at yourselves, look back at the times we are in, and look at the bigger picture!

You are paying little or hardly any money for a five-year ticket, along with thousands of other people, patience is the key here!

If you want a premium service, I think they should make the FAC/SGC £500/£600 for a five-year ticket. That’s £2 a week, not even a packet of cigarettes.

The biggest gripe with you lot is that you’re unprepared for a long wait, if you think forward get prepared then it’s not a problem how long they take, as long as you the shooter/Stalker are legal, what is the problem?

The problem is you lot, can’t get your house in order and fill your tickets up with ammunition, so you’re all chomping at the bit for your tickets through pi$$ poor preparation!

Firearms departments are run by an already overstretched and underfunded public service, the government could shut it down tomorrow if they wanted to, so I think you lot should quit your bitching and just be patient. Your time will come!
 
Have had several variations done in a timely manner (sub 1 week) post covid and renewal was done 8 weeks and 1 day from submission; 5 weeks prior to expiry.

I realise all are not in that boat but if Wilts can do it, when they are fighting the same funding issues and other focus on resources, why can’t they all?
 
25 Sharps said:
Have had several variations done in a timely manner (sub 1 week) post covid and renewal was done 8 weeks and 1 day from submission; 5 weeks prior to expiry.

I realise all are not in that boat but if Wilts can do it, when they are fighting the same funding issues and other focus on resources, why can’t they all?
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Same with norfolk, admittedly they’re not as good as what they were, shite the bed they would turn one for one round in a matter of a day or two pre-Covid now you have to wait a week or two, what’s the problem?
 
timbrayford said:
Had you thought of joining WJ or BASC?
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Not at all, it’s just the fact that you lot need get your shite together and quit your bitching!

just because you’re paying £60odd for an FAC now, the same price it’s more or less been for the last 20 years that I’ve had an FAC, it proves the point that is a price that is not justifiable purely because they’ve not got the staff to get around, like I said, underfunded mismanaged and run by a public service that is already overstretched, it needs to be priced correctly, to be done efficiently!

Either that, or get prepared for a long wait again I ask what’s the problem?

Edit - in fact the FAC/SGC is the only thing that is priced so cheap, everything else has gone through the roof.
 

Norfolk Deer Search said:
You should really sit back and look at yourselves, look back at the times we are in, and look at the bigger picture!

You are paying little or hardly any money for a five-year ticket, along with thousands of other people, patience is the key here!

If you want a premium service, I think they should make the FAC/SGC £500/£600 for a five-year ticket. That’s £2 a week, not even a packet of cigarettes.

The biggest gripe with you lot is that you’re unprepared for a long wait, if you think forward get prepared then it’s not a problem how long they take, as long as you the shooter/Stalker are legal, what is the problem?

The problem is you lot, can’t get your house in order and fill your tickets up with ammunition, so you’re all chomping at the bit for your tickets through pi$$ poor preparation!

Firearms departments are run by an already overstretched and underfunded public service, the government could shut it down tomorrow if they wanted to, so I think you lot should quit your bitching and just be patient. Your time will come!
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totally agree with all the above,never had a problem in over 30 years with Cheshire.
regardless of any circumstances I'm always stocked up with bullet's, cartridge's,and components,not prepping for the zombie apocalypse but so I can use the same batches!.
as for the cost of your ticket would anyone be able to run a company and only charge what is charged and break even ,!.I think it's good value for what we pay .
when my renewals were near the date I just rang from and was told I would still be ok to carry on ,as it happened it arrived in time anyway.
 
I went out Christmas Eve in Norwich with the Mrs, and I spent more money in 3 hours than my FAC/SGC costs for 5 years, now do you get more point that the service is unjustifiable at the present price range that it is charged at?

So really, it comes down to the point of you, either wait and be patient, or you have to pay more to get a better service
 
3 weeks ago kent turnaround was a week on a variation, then the posties went on strike :doh:
Taken longer to get it posted out to me than the variation
Mans gotta know his limitations and expectations. It turned up eventually. :tiphat:
 
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