Night Vision - what are the options?

I think Bruce is not a fan of tubed night vision :-|
I really did not want to get into tubed NV because:
a. I don't have much experience with it, and that is entirely intentional 🙂
b. Unless you buy top end kit like a PVS14 there is a significant risk of tube damage through excess light exposure and that risk is higher for someone just coming into NV
c. Price - a PVS14 that would be impervious to damage through excess light exposure costs north of ÂŁ3k - way more than any digital NV kit

Cheers

Bruce
 
I literally just popped into this forum to say "I know jack about NV and want something to put on a rimfire for the rabbits what are my options?".. and saw this. Thanks!!
 
I literally just popped into this forum to say "I know jack about NV and want something to put on a rimfire for the rabbits what are my options?".. and saw this. Thanks!!
I have just zeroed and set up the ballistic calculator on the Pard DS35 today on my Annie 1417 .22rf, Its brilliant and works a treat. I zeroed at 50yds and using the LRF/BC it was spot on for holdover/under from 10-80yds.
 
For my rimfires and pcp rifles I've now gone permanently for the pard 007 x 2 and parallax hawk scopes after playing around using external IR's and kind tuition from Bruce , I was clearly taking rabbits last night out to 80 yds with ease and playing around with parallax focus and illumination on the IR I could see with clear vision out to over 200 yds
I've got the older version the V purely as its the old bayonet fitting and compatible to my first one

If the new version is better it will be brilliant, 007 is brilliant on cost and set up, cost wise circa ÂŁ600 set up for the hawke scope with parallax and the 007

Nothing not to like, the combination is very very accurate and works for me thanks to bruce for the solid advice and to clive ward for getting the nv's and bayonets together, greatly appreciated guys

Pvs 14 I was out with a guy on here a few weeks back and his br rifle with the 14 on 200 + yd foxes was a walk in the park absolutely incredible piece of kit
I've got the T ceptor and trail 2 on my foxing cf's but they work perfectly
I'm pleased to have the rimfires sorted, and the WMR will be following shortly with the 007
 
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Minefield. I have tested and used everything from add ons to thermals , here is what you need to consider.

What are you intending to shoot and how far?
What is you budget?
Are you going to run it alongside a lamp or spotter?
Are you willing to use a dedicated rifle or do you need a dat rifle too?

All valid questions. Here is some things I know, and you will get those that will argue but this is from personal experience.

1. Nothing beats having a spotter, thermal or NV, doesn’t need to be the best on the market because you will work it out , I still use an older xq38f. The spotter is a far better investment than any NV or thermal scope.

2. DO NOT forget common sense or expect the world from any NV product, it takes practice and time, and if you can’t work out what your looking at don’t shoot it, thermals can make you think your looking at a fox when it’s a hare or you can see something that you want to shoot but miss seeing what’s in front or behind it.

3. Thermal scopes are not necessarily better than NV scopes, there are pros and cons with both, identifying what your shooting at is often far clearer than even top end thermals.

4. All of them have pros and cons, do your research and if you can try before you buy or get out with a mate and use theirs.

Here is pros and cons on scopes

Thermal: pros, fantastic for spotting and tracking very long range, no additional light needed and usually very good at holding zero, lightweight and can see through light cover meaning you can track better.

Cons: cost is well in the thousands, species and identification is harder , periodic picture refreshing or nuking, thermal bleed means you often cannot see cover in front of a target, hard to judge range on non life versions and finally lures you into to taking shots that you wouldn’t normally take.

NV: pros. Usually good clear image, identification is very good making you see all the surrounding cover and terrain, price is usually far more reasonable and very easy to set up

Cons: can be too sensitive to if and wash out the picture, additional torch makes it heavy, can be too bright on the eyes.

Both dedicated devices will most likely need a dedicated rifle.

Add ons: pros: come in thermal and NV, allows you the need to only need one rifle, easy to store and charge off the rifle when not in use,

Cons: accuracy is limited to version and current scope. Can be fiddly to calibrate and more parts to deal with like shims etc. Also can put unnecessary weight on the front of scope if it is front mounted or give you an awkward shooting position if rear mounted.

Either way it’s a minefield hope this helps
 
Minefield. I have tested and used everything from add ons to thermals , here is what you need to consider.

What are you intending to shoot and how far?
What is you budget?
Are you going to run it alongside a lamp or spotter?
Are you willing to use a dedicated rifle or do you need a dat rifle too?

All valid questions. Here is some things I know, and you will get those that will argue but this is from personal experience.

1. Nothing beats having a spotter, thermal or NV, doesn’t need to be the best on the market because you will work it out , I still use an older xq38f. The spotter is a far better investment than any NV or thermal scope.

2. DO NOT forget common sense or expect the world from any NV product, it takes practice and time, and if you can’t work out what your looking at don’t shoot it, thermals can make you think your looking at a fox when it’s a hare or you can see something that you want to shoot but miss seeing what’s in front or behind it.

3. Thermal scopes are not necessarily better than NV scopes, there are pros and cons with both, identifying what your shooting at is often far clearer than even top end thermals.

4. All of them have pros and cons, do your research and if you can try before you buy or get out with a mate and use theirs.

Here is pros and cons on scopes

Thermal: pros, fantastic for spotting and tracking very long range, no additional light needed and usually very good at holding zero, lightweight and can see through light cover meaning you can track better.

Cons: cost is well in the thousands, species and identification is harder , periodic picture refreshing or nuking, thermal bleed means you often cannot see cover in front of a target, hard to judge range on non life versions and finally lures you into to taking shots that you wouldn’t normally take.

NV: pros. Usually good clear image, identification is very good making you see all the surrounding cover and terrain, price is usually far more reasonable and very easy to set up

Cons: can be too sensitive to if and wash out the picture, additional torch makes it heavy, can be too bright on the eyes.

Both dedicated devices will most likely need a dedicated rifle.

Add ons: pros: come in thermal and NV, allows you the need to only need one rifle, easy to store and charge off the rifle when not in use,

Cons: accuracy is limited to version and current scope. Can be fiddly to calibrate and more parts to deal with like shims etc. Also can put unnecessary weight on the front of scope if it is front mounted or give you an awkward shooting position if rear mounted.

Either way it’s a minefield hope this helps
So are you saying go and buy a Pard 007, Axion Key Xm 30, all 2nd hand for under 800 quid, and spot and shoot everything out to 200 yards a piece of pie? And all the money you will save can go on cocaine & hookers :doh:
 
So are you saying go and buy a Pard 007, Axion Key Xm 30, all 2nd hand for under 800 quid, and spot and shoot everything out to 200 yards a piece of pie? And all the money you will save can go on cocaine & hookers :doh:
Yep and so delighted will you be with your purchases you will have no time for the other “bits”.
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So are you saying go and buy a Pard 007, Axion Key Xm 30, all 2nd hand for under 800 quid, and spot and shoot everything out to 200 yards a piece of pie? And all the money you will save can go on cocaine & hookers :doh:
If you already have suitable scope, compatible with rear add-on, then your statement is basically true.

You will not have the best thermal picture with Key XM30 and there is no video recording in it, but you will spot much more than with glass or digital NV.
Head position with 007 is somehow awkward but shooting up to 200m/yards is piece of cake, if you are able to shoot that far also during the daytime.

Long story short, your setup will not be best of the best and some of your friends will have much more expensive gear to brag about but you will probably shoot the same number of foxes.

And you will have hookers too!
 
I've used most nv units and have thermal scopes as well, my accolades have a multitude of gimmicks on them, the only one to get occadionally used is the
Range finder, it's rare for me to use the function but its handy for someone who doesn't know the ground or someone new to night shooting for spotting and tracking its invaluable
I'm now using pard 007 on my pcp, 22 rimmies and a 22 wmr ( after tonight) with a external decent IR to save on batteries and to enhance the picture, as basic as I like but it works no frills, no PIP no range finder etc etc, it just works, and I don't need any more , a pulsar 344 on the old hornet, and a day scope on the new one and the other one, the 204 has thermal and a day scope they are all very very accurate, thermal on the 222 and day scope as per

My advice would be to get a nv that suits you, your pocket, all the frilly bits get them if you need snd will use them, my hate is the range finder on units, I don't need or use them, to me they are a complete waste of time and get in the way big time, when I got the trail 2 with range finder on it after a week I wished it wasnt on there it's a bloody waste of space which cost dollars for something I would never use, but the unit is phenomenal on it's own merit

Think seriously before you buy to what you will need and will use, I've wasted money on some gear gimmicks I would never ever use :doh::british:

Goid luck
 
So are you saying go and buy a Pard 007, Axion Key Xm 30, all 2nd hand for under 800 quid, and spot and shoot everything out to 200 yards a piece of pie? And all the money you will save can go on cocaine & hookers :doh:
Think your missing the point.

So I currently have a digex and Ultra one on a .223 and the other on a .243 , I have an older Helion Xq38 for spotting. I have a multitude of lamps and torches I also shoot mainly at night.

But I am not shooting more or less foxes than what I did with an old Yukon Photon on my .243 and using A pulsar quantum lite 30V ( same tech that's in the XM30 ) I just use it differently. I would never own a Pard, why? Because like the Nitesites I just hate all that rear add on malarkey. Nothing to do with image just awkward.

You use what you can afford but you also buy wisely on equipment that compliments each other. Such as, if you have a thermal scope and a thermal spotter and you come across an ID problem. Or environmental issue then you not making use of what is out there as both have their pros and both have their cons.

In the end its your money. Just saying all the bells and whistles dont mean your a musician. Got a few colleagues who do very well with lamp and day scope

What I was getting at is that each h
 
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