4x4 tyres???

[Andy seatrout]

My Hilux wore Falken Wildpeaks for about 20k miles:

• Excellent on-road and pretty quiet. Adequate off-road when new but...
• ...some sales images suggest significant side-wall relief profile which is really just shallow patterning and does not deliver any grip in truly muddy rutted conditions

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I have now fitted the BFGoodridge AT K02s. Truly excellent off road, not so noisy on road as some declare. Only achilles heal? The hard rubber seems to be the least grippy on wet tarmac of the 5 brands I have used on 4x4s over the years. But I just drive accordingly.

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That’s why I went Falken rather than Goodrich- the wet road performance, a mate of mine has the Goodrich on his fancy Isuzu yute…… great apart from in the wet when he ‘drives like miss daisy’……

 

[Scotty99]

I can't speak for these tyres specifically as not tried to source them but the price of shipping containers is so high now that importers are stacking them with smaller car tyres rather than bigger, bulkier 4x4 tyres. They can get more value of tyres in each container that way so few larger tyres being imported.

Makes sense.

 

[merlin]

I run that tyre size in Grabber AT3, never had a problem sourcing them, never in stock but fitters could always get them next day. Not had one fitted in about 12 months so is this stock problem recent? They are my go to AT tyre as well, quiet on the road and good in the wet and mud.

I couldn't find any in stock, any nobody seemed able to tell me when they'd be getting any (this was a few weeks ago); as I needed to get a spare sorted holding out for stock to arrive wasn't really an option (like yourself, not struggled to get them in the past)

 

[hogey]

I did like the look of them but from memory, they were stupidly expensive in 18". About £220 a corner plus fitting. BFG and Cooper equivalent mud patterns were similar or a touch more. I think I paid about £130 for the Renegades.

Just bought a set of Grabber AT 3's 18 inch.£174.00 each here in Tyneside fitted

 

[75]

Just bought a set of Grabber AT 3's 18 inch.£174.00 each here in Tyneside fitted

X3s we were referring to are different tyres (and prices) to the AT3s - £230 fitted here:

265/60R18 General Grabber X3 Mud Terrain 119/116Q Tyre

Buy 265/60R18 General Grabber X3 Mud Terrain 119/116Q Tyre online today with next day delivery available & no fuss return policy. We won't be beaten on price.

4x4tyres.co.uk

 

[Jim xyz]

Has anyone tried michelin latitude cross tyres? Was talking to someone in my pheasant syndicate today and they spoke of them very highly, both him and his friend ran them.

Had these on my Disco 2, really impressed and gutted when I went to replace them only to find that they have stopped doing them in 255/55/R18.

Have gone with Avon AX7’s based on strong reviews but have to say initial impressions are that the Latitudes were much better (certainly on road). That said the Avon have a much more aggressive tread so would maybe have the edge in proper off road conditions.

 

[Dan Newcombe]

Had a couple sets of cooper at3 on an L200, currently on BFG AT because they came with the new pickup - couldn’t tell the different between the two really but the copper are a lot cheaper. BFG are about £250 a corner plus fitting just now.

Mid terrain wise we have had BFG, Cooper and are going to try Maxxis this next time.

 

[caorach]

Having recently replaced my trusty hilux with a NP300 navara I’m needing to kit her out with a new set of tyres as the more road focused ones at current just ain’t doing the job. My first thought was replacing them with the normal BF Goodrich but they aren’t the best in the wet, make a fair bit of road noise, have dramatically increased in price and weigh an absolute ton which of course eats away at the all to important MPG.
My old D40 had a set of Yokohama tyres on it that ticked most of the boxes but I can’t seem to remember what model of tyre or recognise the tread pattern from memory.
So the question is does anyone have any suggestions that may suit my needs?

I ran BFGs and was very disappointed with them both on and off road - anything wet beat them whether on the road or on a slimy track or a layer of sloppy mud. I was glad to get rid of them.

Before the BFGs I had the Yoko Geolanders and they were good on the road, good in snow (like UK snow so wet or hard packed or slush), and better in any of the off road situations I find myself than the BFGs the only thing I will say is that it was the older version of the Geolander AT that I had as they've been replaced since by a G015 which is claimed to be an improvement over the one i had. It is worth being aware that there is also a more aggressive G016 - it gets a very good reputation from the Australians but just looking at it gives me to think it might be less good in snow and wet roads. I believe the G016 maybe also be a 3 ply tyre and so more puncture proof and likely to cope better with airing down and similar stuff but I must highlight I've never driven the G016 and so am just mentioning them as an option.

Of late I've been running Pirelli All Terrain Plus (they are relatively new, there was a previous version) and I have been very impressed indeed with them. They were available is a huge range of sizes and I've found them good both on and off road and they cope with wet slimy stuff no problem at all. I would rate them above the Geolanders and in a different league to the BFGs. They are two ply tyres and so probably can't be as robust as the BFGs and there isn't quite as much space in the tread pattern so I imagine that the BFGs must be better in some specific mud conditions, though I've never encountered those conditions. Pirelli claim that they designed the AT+ to be good on wet grass. If a YouTube review is worth anything then these folks ran them for 10,000km and loved them:

 

[hendrix's rifle]

I ran BFGs and was very disappointed with them both on and off road - anything wet beat them whether on the road or on a slimy track or a layer of sloppy mud. I was glad to get rid of them.

Before the BFGs I had the Yoko Geolanders and they were good on the road, good in snow (like UK snow so wet or hard packed or slush), and better in any of the off road situations I find myself than the BFGs the only thing I will say is that it was the older version of the Geolander AT that I had as they've been replaced since by a G015 which is claimed to be an improvement over the one i had. It is worth being aware that there is also a more aggressive G016 - it gets a very good reputation from the Australians but just looking at it gives me to think it might be less good in snow and wet roads. I believe the G016 maybe also be a 3 ply tyre and so more puncture proof and likely to cope better with airing down and similar stuff but I must highlight I've never driven the G016 and so am just mentioning them as an option.

Of late I've been running Pirelli All Terrain Plus (they are relatively new, there was a previous version) and I have been very impressed indeed with them. They were available is a huge range of sizes and I've found them good both on and off road and they cope with wet slimy stuff no problem at all. I would rate them above the Geolanders and in a different league to the BFGs. They are two ply tyres and so probably can't be as robust as the BFGs and there isn't quite as much space in the tread pattern so I imagine that the BFGs must be better in some specific mud conditions, though I've never encountered those conditions. Pirelli claim that they designed the AT+ to be good on wet grass. If a YouTube review is worth anything then these folks ran them for 10,000km and loved them:

The new geolander is a heavily siped tyre with a different compound, 3 peaks symbol so properly winter rated. My old man ran them on his disco, I've had a set on a truck and now got a set on my Freelander. Genuinely cannot knock the new ones whatsoever. Rain, shine, snow, mud. Not one problem and it never ever crossed my mind I'd get stuck

 

[caorach]

The new geolander is a heavily siped tyre with a different compound, 3 peaks symbol so properly winter rated. My old man ran them on his disco, I've had a set on a truck and now got a set on my Freelander. Genuinely cannot knock the new ones whatsoever. Rain, shine, snow, mud. Not one problem and it never ever crossed my mind I'd get stuck

I had the older G012 Geolander, in fact I'd two sets, and they were also quite heavily siped but they didn't have the 3 peak symbol. However the 3 peak symbol isn't really worth an awful lot in the real world and I'm not at all sure it has much relevance to the sort of wet snow, hard packed, slushy etc. we get here in the UK, I think it is more related to deeper fresh snow. The BFGs had the 3 peak symbol but weren't as good in snow as the Geolanders, though being fair I didn't use the BFGs a lot in snow compared to the Geolanders. In terms of snow performance then, usually, you can pretty much tell simply by looking at the tyres. Yoko also have a Geolander G016 (I presume it is the G015 you have) and it looks like it would have less snow and, perhaps, wet performance over the G015 but it should be a bit more robust and with a bit more space in the tread it might perform a little better on some very specific mud conditions. I'm going to guess it would be better for people who are airing it down to cross dry rocks and stuff like that but my guess is the G015 would give a better overall experience in UK conditions.

The Pirellis look to be pretty similar in terms of siping etc. to the Geolander so I have to guess they are comparable but mine haven't done much in the snow, I'm assured by people in snowy places that they are good. At present I'd say that I rate the Pirellis as better than the Geolanders but then it was the older version of the Geolanders that I ran and also with all the covid disruption I've probably been doing less off road driving than usual since the Pirellis went on.

 

[User00057]

Yokohama geolanders get my vote too, very pleased with them

Just ordered a set for my Hilux after the last set of BFs lasting only 18000. I got them just after the compound changed and would never buy them again. MPG dropped to 24 from 27 also and that’s between old Bfs and new

 

[Longstrider]

Just ordered a set for my Hilux after the last set of BFs lasting only 18000. I got them just after the compound changed and would never buy them again. MPG dropped to 24 from 27 also and that’s between old Bfs and new

I doubt you'll regret it fella. Just put a pair of the 'new' Geolandars on the front of my Freelander after the last set that lasted 2 1/2 years (so about 25000M) Only time (so far .. touch wood) that I've been stuck is when torrential rain soaked the only route out of my location whilst I was there, and my mate in a Disco fitted with Maxxis Wormdrives couldn't get out either.
To save embarrassment I'll not mention the time he and I parked in the same place before being asked to park up in the farm yard. I drove out no drama, then had to reverse back to hitch up and tow him out

 

[huntwithhounds]

Cooper are good tyres and wear well , I had 20k out my mud terrain

 

[hendrix's rifle]

I doubt you'll regret it fella. Just put a pair of the 'new' Geolandars on the front of my Freelander after the last set that lasted 2 1/2 years (so about 25000M) Only time (so far .. touch wood) that I've been stuck is when torrential rain soaked the only route out of my location whilst I was there, and my mate in a Disco fitted with Maxxis Wormdrives couldn't get out either.
To save embarrassment I'll not mention the time he and I parked in the same place before being asked to park up in the farm yard. I drove out no drama, then had to reverse back to hitch up and tow him out

So last week I did end up getting stuck with the almighty geolander. I will admit, it wasn't so much as tyre performance as driver performance and 'sending it' over some rather deep snow drifts... Tyres can't grip when they ain't on the ground

 

[timbrayford]

Are the insa remoulds any good?

 

[Sprocker101]

Just putting on some Maxxis Wormdrives on my hilux next week, changing from BFG KO2's, which have been OK....but the wormdrives are £500 cheaper so worth a punt in my book!

I shall report back in a month or so..

 

[User00057]

Are the insa remoulds any good?

Only going from a mates review on his 90. He said they were ok off-road but scared the life out of him on road.

 

[Pete6.5]

The original LR tyre concept I understood was to go tall and thin so it cut down through the mud to more solid ground. Always made me smile when I saw 90 tyres getting wider and wider.

But the farmer isn't going to thank you for leaving ruts everywhere you go. The theory with wide tyres is to reduce ground pressure and then not to leave ruts behind. But I've gone away from worrying about tyres on my truck and now just tow my quad about it's miles better on my body than lots of dragging and it only takes the land manager to be having a bad day then to find a rut in the wrong place and your gone.

 

[Utectok]

My Hilux wore Falken Wildpeaks for about 20k miles:

• Excellent on-road and pretty quiet. Adequate off-road when new but...
• ...some sales images suggest significant side-wall relief profile which is really just shallow patterning and does not deliver any grip in truly muddy rutted conditions

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I have now fitted the BFGoodridge AT K02s. Truly excellent off road, not so noisy on road as some declare. Only achilles heal? The hard rubber seems to be the least grippy on wet tarmac of the 5 brands I have used on 4x4s over the years. But I just drive accordingly.

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Another vote for bfg ats I drive a landrover so speeding on wet roads is not an option! Great tire life and good off-road performance. Fine on roads unless your a mentalist

 

[User00057]

Another vote for bfg ats I drive a landrover so speeding on wet roads is not an option! Great tire life and good off-road performance. Fine on roads unless your a mentalist

Have you had them since the compound change and price increase. I simply don’t think they are worth it anymore if you drive on the road at all