Stalking is not shooting deer from a high seat...discuss.

[Uncle Buck]

To who?

To one's self of course!! to show you've got what it takes to "cut the mustard" anyone can sit in a high seat and shoot a deer.

(that is if they can shoot !!) The bottom line is it's first and foremost the management or harvesting the deer is what matters.

I like nothing more to wait for deer at a hot spot, but every now and then it's good to stretch your legs.(stalk into)

As you said it's under the terms dictated by nature, Mans nature to always take it to the max.

Rgds, Buck.

PS. Not Pepsi Max, for all the JOKERS!!!

 

[k&a]

quite often I will sit and wait under a bush on the edge of a wood for a muntie to cross ,is that not stalking either
unless you count stalking into a bush first of all
or I suppose you could summise that looking over a hedge and seeing a deer walking to you is not stalking either
but they all count towards your L2
as Steve says "stalking" is just a generic term

To sit and WAIT under a bush would count towards your L2 but you would not have fulfilled PC 1.5. of the performance criteria.
PC 1.5 - "Locate and approach deer to a distance where a safe and effective shot can be taken, taking account of the natural features of the location."

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[2434me]

SO WHO IS THE STALKER.my humble opinion be,who ever apprecieates the beast,and enjoys the stalk,be it in a high seat a laborious long stalk,or even a quick dash to the grassie knoll to catch them as the make an exit,if your out there doin it and it works,each to there own,stalker is just a word?

+1 on that Big White Hunter. That's the most sense said on the forum in a while! To each their own and enjoy the privilege of being able to do what you enjoy.

No more to be said realy! Spot on !+1

 

[k&a]

Wills,

Stalking is many things to many people but there is a big difference between the recreational stalker (with his own permission obtained on a friendly basis and under no pressure to meet an agreed cull figure) compared to the deer manager (who operates on a professional level with ground rent, a management plan and cull figure to meet with a chain of people to keep happy) i.e. estate managers, tenant farmers, foresters, land agents - all have to be answered to. High seats, for myself, are a hands-down winner. They enable unobtrusive observation into the deer's world and shooting without the unnecessary disturbance that foot-stalking can create in a woodland/arable situation. All animals learn by association i.e people = danger. High seats can help to eliminate this IF USED PROPERLY. Safety goes without saying. The bottom line is in a woodland/arable situation, I personally feel that the use of high seats is a must but you can't keep everybody happy.

I wish you all well

 

[Paul at Fechan]

stalking involves a 'stalk'. Culling from a high seat is culling. Either way bambi still tastes good...

 

[Eurobolt]

My thoughts are you go out for a days shoot ,whether you sit in a high seat, in a doe box,or crawl thro rivers ,burns,up and down hills,it's the end result that matters,you have had a great day out with your mates and if you bag a deer that's a bonus.
"QUI AUDET ADIPISCTUR"

 

[Thar]

I have to say that I use high seats when I have to, and have plenty here at my house. They are a useful tool to aid the stalker without a doubt, but let’s get real here, you can put any fat useless so and so that knows nothing up a high seat and say shoot anything with antlers on and he will stand just as much chance of shooting an animal as the next man, so long as he can keep quiet, hell even the wind could be on his back and if his seat is high enough he will still have success. A deer taken this way take a lot less skill than one that is stalked on foot, one that is seen on the hill and is stalked in avoiding other animals that are not to be shot reading all the variances of wind etc in the planned approach takes a lot more doing than slotting one from a high seat.

I know between my stalking friends that a deer shot from a high seat is considered less of an achievement than one stalked on foot. Personally I like to spot an animal from a long way off perhaps from a high seat then plan and successfully stalk in. Animals shot on foot that come into view in range don’t have the same excitement to them.

ATB

Tahr

 

[stone]

To sit and WAIT under a bush would count towards your L2 but you would not have fulfilled PC 1.5. of the performance criteria.
PC 1.5 - "Locate and approach deer to a distance where a safe and effective shot can be taken, taking account of the natural features of the location."

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K&a
this is where the PC 1.5 is floored as it asks you to perform a task that can be neigh on impossible if you only hav muntjac stalking
as they are a creature of habit and it takes time and knowledge to figure out where and when is best to intercept them
but 1.5 is observation only
so there is some leeway there I feel , unless you were to be a complete Ahole and insist on more
so if a candidate can show they hav used the signs and knowledge on the species of deer they choose to wait for
then I can see no reason why a sit and wait is not exceptable for 1 of the 3 cull criteria's
aslong as they proove on the other 2 cull criteria's that they hav stalked into a deer to a sutiable and exceptable shooting range

 

[stone]

I know between my stalking friends that a deer shot from a high seat is considered less of an achievement than one stalked on foot.

Kev
Interesting comment and one I can relate too
but in reality a shot deer is a shot deer and they all count
but they all would treat a missed deer as the same regardless from where the shot was taken from
how strange is that

 

[BIG white hunter]

Kev
Interesting comment and one I can relate too
but in reality a shot deer is a shot deer and they all count
but they all would treat a missed deer as the same regardless from where the shot was taken from
how strange is that

hah exactly..

 

[Brianm]

This has been an interesting thread for me because I have, for many years, ignored high seats because I have always enjoyed the challenge of getting close
by using my own skills.
But time changes attitudes. I started shooting when I was about 30 years old and have now been shooting almost 50 years and the breathing gets hard, the hips
can get very uncomfortable and angina hovers when I start dashing about.
The high seat is the friend that allows me to go and sit quiet and I carry a camera which gives me more shots per year than my beloved A Bolt.
So, I have gone the full circle and now into the 'winding down period' and if there wasn't a high seat I would have sold my gear ages ago.

Brianm

 

[BIG white hunter]

GOOD MAN.i have had all ages and plenty thinkin that they were going to get an easy time,latterly had an 26 year old that found it a wee bit tough and last year had a true gentleman of 79,a true gem and devoted, he got there and gaick aint easy ,it took time but hey a take my hat off to him.

the highseat might be my only option after i have wore oot my hipps,good for you and i am sure you have put a massive amount in to the trade,i salute u.cheers.

 

[Norrie1956]

Here we go another inflammatory thread. What exactly to you hope to achieve from a thread like this? other than to get people to bicker. why dont you go and flatten some deer in which ever way you see fit and SAFE. Because thats what high seats SHOULD be for, to improve the SAFTY of the shot.

+1 on BWH

Yep, my thoughts exactly...I see the OP aint been back on all day after posting this one, a thread that will serve NO purpose.....

 

[stone]

So, I have gone the full circle and now into the 'winding down period' and if there wasn't a high seat I would have sold my gear ages ago.

Brianm

I'm only 40 and think the same , so glad I hav a few more years to enjoy both sides of it all especially as I luv taking a camera with me aswell as a rifle

 

[k&a]

K&a
this is where the PC 1.5 is floored as it asks you to perform a task that can be neigh on impossible if you only hav muntjac stalking
as they are a creature of habit and it takes time and knowledge to figure out where and when is best to intercept them
but 1.5 is observation only
so there is some leeway there I feel , unless you were to be a complete Ahole and insist on more
so if a candidate can show they hav used the signs and knowledge on the species of deer they choose to wait for
then I can see no reason why a sit and wait is not exceptable for 1 of the 3 cull criteria's
aslong as they proove on the other 2 cull criteria's that they hav stalked into a deer to a sutiable and exceptable shooting range

To a point I agree but we don't make the rules DMQ do, so PC 1.5 stands for all 3 ICRs. You would probably find that most, if not all assesors and definitely the internal verifiers would reject the portfolio, on the grounds that PC 1.5 was not achieved on 3 seperate occasions as required. There are no exceptions, whether you think the witness is a complete a-hole, as you put it, or not. They cannot sign off something that they have not witnessed.

Whether you personally agree with it or not doesn't matter, the system's the system.

 

[Wills]

Yep, my thoughts exactly...I see the OP aint been back on all day after posting this one, a thread that will serve NO purpose.....

Thats what you think matey boy...I have been watching from afar... Like a deer shooter from a high seat.

 

[Cut+Squirt]

If you have DSC1 you are only a trained Hunter, not stalker.... that comes with level 2

What rubbish..........so just to clarify, to be classed as a stalker you need to have deer managment qualifications?
I suspect some, including myself would disagree with that.

 

[BIG white hunter]

mmmm a deer shooter,,,not a {stalker} hah...

 

[stone]

K&a
if I'm not mistaken
DMQ don't make the rules but give you a choice
they recommend but don't lay down the law
It's upto a candidate to show their ability
assesors/Internal verifiers will go on the evidence provided in the portfolio and from conversations to both AW's and candidates
so if 1 ICR was not upto scratch they still had the other 2 to go on to to make a decision
if not mistaken you can use a deer taken from a highseat or such methods towards 1 of your ICR's aslong as the other 2 followed protcol
but I may be wrong , I hav been in the past

 

[finnbear270]

A L2 rifleman goes out @ crack of sparrow f*rt, with the intention of bringing home venison, nature wins on this day, does this mean he is no longer fit to be addressed as a "Stalker"?..... another goes out with the intention of removing any pests/predators he can, has a good day with a count of one fox & a couple of rabbits, did he "Stalk" anything?