Trader sold me a burnt out 22-250 ???

[DavyG]

Erm, no!!

 

[Crowsfeet]

Not very helpful are you Fabs.
Why not just scroll on by.

 

[The Singing Stalker]

14 months is way to long to go back to the shop. I pushed it with my 223 going back after 3 months. The guy who poster about the trainers has it spot on.
The problem is
1. 14 months.
2. you could be pulling a fast one. Okay you’re not, but to go back after 14 months, sorry, but no. The shop will just look at you with raised eyebrows.
3. look at getting it rebarreled.

yes they should have inspected it properly,
but
equally you should have gone back within 4 to 6 weeks.

been there, wrote a couple of chapters. I feel for you.

 

[GIMLET61]

In my case I went back to the shop and explained everything and said I don't expect anything. But they gave me a very good price for a trade in and I bought a new tikka and GRS stock. Which is awesome. More than happy with the outcome. I'd left it too long to expect them to sort under warranty. Just put it down to experience.

Out of interest, does the GRS stock add weight compared to the Tikka stock?
Thinking of doing the same.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

Not very helpful are you Fabs.
Why not just scroll on by.

He's right though. It's been 14 months. Put it down as a costly learning experience. The shop likely won't do anything whatsoever

 

[Foxyboy43]

Hmmm.
I really feel for you - what a very disappointing start for you with c/f rifles but buying second hand anything always carries a risk of being sold a turkey. The 22/250 is a very fast round and from what you write it has either shot a lot of rounds - probably in fairly short order or repeated hot loads, but regardless of how the damage is done. Sadly and for the various reasons shown above you have little redress, despite your obvious disappointment - so a classic case of caveat emptor - buyer beware.
As a thought - if the heavy wear is only at the breech end and as you say the crown is good can you experiment with home loads? I say this for two reasons - you can usually improve on most rifle’s accuracy by finding the magical node in homeloading and my own beloved triple deuce has had very many thousands of rounds through it, about a third of the barrel‘s bore has more wear than the SDP’s cash register, and yet it shoots 1/2 moa all day long with a moderate load which I developed many years ago and have never changed.
Finally, and in the spirit of friendship - get someone you know to be a good shot and experienced in c/f shooting to try the rifle - I well remember my own move from rimfire to c/f (just after muskets became unfashionable) and the huge increase in noise and the advent of recoil pretty much destroyed my accuracy not to say confidence!
I do hope you get this sorted out and find a solution.

 

[Bo Diddley]

Good luck Crowsfeet, keep us updated, this is an interesting one

 

[Will the chippy]

Out of interest, does the GRS stock add weight compared to the Tikka stock?
Thinking of doing the same.

Mines a varmint barrel and heavy anyway. I bought the cheapest tikka with the plastic stock as I knew I wanted a GRS stock. I got the grey laminate. So yes it's heavier. From hollow plastic to solid timber there's a weight difference but how much I'm not sure. The bifrost GRS might be lighter. Google's your friend on that tho. It might be easier just to go to your local shop and pick a few up.
The control and ease of being comfy behind the rifle has given me great confidence as it fits me so well and the weight, although heavy, helps with stability. Happy shopping.

 

[Robs]

Posted before on this, I purchased a No4 as "new built" wishing to shoot it hard in comps from a well known dealer in the home counties (not Fultons). Barrel was toast from the outset but by the time you've explored all potential issues months have past. You doubt everything, especially if you reload. After very few rounds, bullets would no longer stabilise, three or four range visits in fact. When trying to discuss expectations with the seller, his basis for shootability was if the rifle hit a twelve inch square at 100 yards, yes indeed a greater than 12 minute group. When it was returned to him, it would not hit a four foot target frame. Finally got it looked at properly and confirmed worst but trying different bullets, cast bullets, flat base, bedding, crown etc can take forever. Rebarrelled by Peter Sarony and never regretted doing so.

Was sold a L39 by a different dealer looked mint, didn't know it at the time but it had a bulged chamber and so after firing cases would not eject. Happened from the first round. After five or six rounds checked it with a good gunsmith The chamber would clearly be out of tolerance. Went back to dealer, not even a hint of an apology or refund. The price was the give away, should have known. Rebarrelled by Fultons and like many rifles would now never sell.

Sometimes gunsmiths / dealers are hobbyists and not really up to the job, others are just dishonest. Treasure those who are honourable and professional. The pity is that being a gunsmith requires nothing but a letterhead and tools in your garage. The trade organisations have no interest in looking at consumer issues as it does not serve their purposes.

 

[Crowsfeet]

Posted before on this, I purchased a No4 as "new built" wishing to shoot it hard in comps from a well known dealer in the home counties (not Fultons). Barrel was toast from the outset but by the time you've explored all potential issues months have past. You doubt everything, especially if you reload. After very few rounds, bullets would no longer stabilise, three or four range visits in fact. When trying to discuss expectations with the seller, his basis for shootability was if the rifle hit a twelve inch square at 100 yards, yes indeed a greater than 12 minute group. When it was returned to him, it would not hit a four foot target frame. Finally got it looked at properly and confirmed worst but trying different bullets, cast bullets, flat base, bedding, crown etc can take forever. Rebarrelled by Peter Sarony and never regretted doing so.

Was sold a L39 by a different dealer looked mint, didn't know it at the time but it had a bulged chamber and so after firing cases would not eject. Happened from the first round. After five or six rounds checked it with a good gunsmith The chamber would clearly be out of tolerance. Went back to dealer, not even a hint of an apology or refund. The price was the give away, should have known. Rebarrelled by Fultons and like many rifles would now never sell.

Sometimes gunsmiths / dealers are hobbyists and not really up to the job, others are just dishonest. Treasure those who are honourable and professional. The pity is that being a gunsmith requires nothing but a letterhead and tools in your garage. The trade organisations have no interest in looking at consumer issues as it does not serve their purposes.

You've nailed it in your first paragraph. I doubted everything but the gun. Tried different brands and weights of ammo, different scopes, mounts.
I can only go and speak with them and put my case forward.

Thanks for the info, proves it's not just me.

 

[sikadog]

Draw a line under it, the guy that quoted you at Malmo to re barrel the rifle would probably buy the action from you.
He is now building me a second rifle, so a good guy.

 

[Bo Diddley]

This thread has reminded me of a comment made by a proper gunsmith ( not just a guy selling new/2nd hand guns in a swish shop ) when I mentioned in passing that I was going to buy a 2nd hand rifle, as casual as you like he said "Is it accurate" I said "I think so" he said "if a rifle is not accurate it's worthless" basically in his own way telling me to check before I made a purchase.

 

[njc110381]

No chance of any help from the RFD after this long I wouldn't have thought. Over a year, why now? I know why, but they have to trust you and admit their own poor judgement - unlikely I'd say.

Get it sent to Jager Sporting Arms. James is a good lad, he'll put a decent barrel on it for far less than you've been quoted. The 75 is a lovely gun, I wouldn't be getting rid of it because it'll cost you a lot more at this point to get anything better.

 

[25 Sharps]

Unfortunately you chose a well known barrel burning calibre in an older discontinued rifle. Chances were always going to be that it’s going to have done a lot of work and be burnt out in the throat.

.243, 22-250, the hotter 6.5s, you need to be careful as they will wear barrels out quicker so you need to be extra careful when buying second hand.

Unfortunately an expensive lesson learned. Don’t look at it as losing out on £800 though, that action and stock is worth £350-450 depending on condition. Get it rebarrelled in a faster twist and you’ll have a very nice rifle on your hands that will cope with copper well.

Or go a little different and rebarrel to .22 creedmoor !!

 

[njc110381]

I'm sat here thinking about this. I've got my stainless 75 sporter sat with an RFD and nobody will buy it. Probably because it's a .22-250 and everyone thinks it'll be shot out. It shoots a treat, no bother at all, but it's not a heavy barrel.

I've been thinking about having mine rebarrelled simply to make it more attractive to a buyer. It wouldn't cost me any more to rebarrel yours as it would to rebarrel mine (which does shoot well). I wonder how hard it would be for us to swap? It's no bother to me as long as your action is as tidy as mine, but a reasonable gain for you if you don't mind a lighter barrel.

 

[Eddie P]

I'm sat here thinking about this. I've got my stainless 75 sporter sat with an RFD and nobody will buy it. Probably because it's a .22-250 and everyone thinks it'll be shot out. It shoots a treat, no bother at all, but it's not a heavy barrel.

I've been thinking about having mine rebarrelled simply to make it more attractive to a buyer. It wouldn't cost me any more to rebarrel yours as it would to rebarrel mine (which does shoot well). I wonder how hard it would be for us to swap? It's no bother to me as long as your action is as tidy as mine, but a reasonable gain for you if you don't mind a lighter barrel.

If it shoots well and is still on your ticket, get it down the range and shoot a test target... to prove it shoots well, that may help sell it.

 

[njc110381]

If it shoots well and is still on your ticket, get it down the range and shoot a test target... to prove it shoots well, that may help sell it.

Not still on ticket unfortunately. There are several people at the range who would vouch for it as well as those who go foxing with me, but I didn't think to shoot a target before I took it in. As usual, I was too excited about getting the new one!
Edit: Which was a second hand 75 in .25-06, another barrel burner. Turned out is was mint, the bore is very tidy.

 

[HonestJohn]

funny how people rant and rave over the 75's as 'the best sako ever made', etc. etc.
one poster literally can't sell a new one, no one will have it..I think you all know who

it's like the L61R and the Tikka M55, and the L46, and the Rem 721/722, 'oohh, ahhh, cracking action, best ever made'... yet, they sit on guntrader at aspirational pricing for, in cases, 10+ years

I had a 75, I've had most of the above I've mentioned,,the 75 was nothing special,..yes, nice and smooth, fed ok, but nothing special.

To the OP, I'd say, rebarrel it if you're going to shoot that motherf**ker out and drive it into the ground...if you might want to sell it and 'upgrade' in a few years, don't bother, because you won't get a fraction back that you think it's worth

 

[cjs66]

I'm sat here thinking about this. I've got my stainless 75 sporter sat with an RFD and nobody will buy it. Probably because it's a .22-250 and everyone thinks it'll be shot out. It shoots a treat, no bother at all, but it's not a heavy barrel.

I've been thinking about having mine rebarrelled simply to make it more attractive to a buyer. It wouldn't cost me any more to rebarrel yours as it would to rebarrel mine (which does shoot well). I wonder how hard it would be for us to swap? It's no bother to me as long as your action is as tidy as mine, but a reasonable gain for you if you don't mind a lighter barrel.

Looks like the OP has the answer, doesn't get much better than that.

cjs

 

[Crowsfeet]