Lead shot could be banned in the Autumn 2023

[enfieldspares]

Interesting article re time scales in the Shooting Times today.

Lead shot could be banned in the autumn of this year - Shooting UK

 

[Ade8mm]

Interesting article indeed.
I am not sure how much someone who affords 200 bird days
(Note "days"- plural, not a once a year treat) will be affected by an additional 100 quid per day?
Presumably this will be accompanied by a ban of the sale of lead shot?
How, I wonder, will this be policed ?
There are tens of 1000's of lead shot cartridges already held by game shooters and the like, a "slab" or two here and there and so on.
Let's face it "our" police force are pretty hard-pressed to do any traditional policing these-days as it is (not having a pop at them, God forfend!)

Same question for rifle ammo and bullets.
Either way..
I will continue to use and enjoy my rusty relics/vintage items of sporting equipment and looking on the bright side a vintage Holland and Holland Royal (maybe a pair lol) just got even closer. The cost of some bismuth fades dramatically with the possible saving in cost of said gun(s)
Always worth looking for the positive is it not?
Ade

 

[Klenchblaize]

Cue SD member rush to sell off all lead projectiles cluttering their reloading den in the Classifieds.

K

 

[Apthorpe]

Interesting article indeed.
I am not sure how much someone who affords 200 bird days
(Note "days"- plural, not a once a year treat) will be affected by an additional 100 quid per day?

The money’s not really the point. The reality is that bismuth is too rare to substitute for lead shot in any meaningful quantity. (For example, just cartridges, which I presume to be high up the list of top retailers of cartridges only has a handful of slabs in stock). Barely enough for a single day’s shooting by traditional gun owners, if that. The entire global supply excl. China of bismuth is less than the quantity of metal UK shooters fire per year.
I thought that was a rather feeble-minded contribution from someone who derives their living from vintage guns, unless he’s looking to clean up on exporting them in bulk.

Presumably this will be accompanied by a ban of the sale of lead shot?
How, I wonder, will this be policed ?
There are tens of 1000's of lead shot cartridges already held by game shooters and the like, a "slab" or two here and there and so on.
Let's face it "our" police force are pretty hard-pressed to do any traditional policing these-days as it is (not having a pop at them, God forfend!)

Same question for rifle ammo and bullets.

It doesn’t really matter and they don’t need to bother enforcing once the supply of new projectiles is turned off. In reality, it’s mainly anti-shooting nonsense with the possible exception of one or two fools firing lead over wetlands.

Either way..
I will continue to use and enjoy my rusty relics/vintage items of sporting equipment and looking on the bright side a vintage Holland and Holland Royal (maybe a pair lol) just got even closer. The cost of some bismuth fades dramatically with the possible saving in cost of said gun(s)
Always worth looking for the positive is it not?
Ade

 

[Liveonce]

Cue SD member rush to sell off all lead projectiles cluttering their reloading den in the Classifieds.

K

why their will be the need for a transition period, absolutely no way the industry would be ready by autumn for a total ban then of lead in ammunition. Just look at the mess it is in currently due to Ukraine war.
Why we feel the need to add the nails to the coffin by publishing such articles apparently showing are engagement in the process is lost on me.

 

[Ade8mm]

A

The money’s not really the point. The reality is that bismuth is too rare to substitute for lead shot in any meaningful quantity. (For example, just cartridges, which I presume to be high up the list of top retailers of cartridges only has a handful of slabs in stock). Barely enough for a single day’s shooting by traditional gun owners, if that. The entire global supply excl. China of bismuth is less than the quantity of metal UK shooters fire per year.
I thought that was a rather feeble-minded contribution from someone who derives their living from vintage guns, unless he’s looking to clean up on exporting them in bulk.

It doesn’t really matter and they don’t need to bother enforcing once the supply of new projectiles is turned off. In reality, it’s mainly anti-shooting nonsense with the possible exception of one or two fools firing lead over wetlands.

Agreed on all points.
(Same as global veganism. There is only enough mineable NPK Nitrogen Phosphorus and Potassium - essentials for plant growth- for about 30 years of veggie growing - without cowshite -never let reality enter politics eh? Sorry to go off track)
Ade

 

[Sampo]

Seems to be very much focused around Shotguns and its mostly a 'could' scenario at prsent. Also a law that cannot be easily enforced would just be more of a 'nice to have'. If someone needs to be prosecuted, they can, but would they prosecure every single one, possibly not. I will believe it when it comes into force and until then its shooting as normal.

 

[Taff]

Did not read the article, but from our side of selling mainly steel, prices are about $40 more for steel per slab, or 20 pound in your money, this depends on where it is from, eley being my comparison. As to bismuth a nz company is $30 cheaper than eley per box,

 

[Ade8mm]

Did not read the article, but from our side of selling mainly steel, prices are about $40 more for steel per slab, or 20 pound in your money, this depends on where it is from, eley being my comparison. As to bismuth a nz company is $30 cheaper than eley per box,

Taff
Are .410s exempt (from so called "non toxic"shot) where you are?
Ade

 

[Taff]

This is the last year for 410 , the steel only has to be used over water, I.e within 200 mtrs of a water way , as duck shooting is the main sport here in NZ , not many driven pheasant shoots here probably a handful in the country.

 

[Liveonce]

It’s good to also know that all the effort we put into replying to the HSE consultation on lead ammunition looks to have been listen to by them ……… NOT.

 

[Apthorpe]

why their will be the need for a transition period, absolutely no way the industry would be ready by autumn for a total ban then of lead in ammunition. Just look at the mess it is in currently due to Ukraine war.
Why we feel the need to add the nails to the coffin by publishing such articles apparently showing are engagement in the process is lost on me.

We now live in an idiocracy. This is a typically moronic piece of policy from the most cretinous ruling establishment in history.
Ban lead to avoid a poisoning problem that nobody can detect, in order to protect an environment that you're ruining with overpopulation.

A

Agreed on all points.
(Same as global veganism. There is only enough mineable NPK Nitrogen Phosphorus and Potassium - essentials for plant growth- for about 30 years of veggie growing - without cowshite -never let reality enter politics eh? Sorry to go off track)
Ade

To be honest. I think that's nonsense. If we were all vegan, we'd use less NPK not more,..... and you seem to presume that vegans starving would be an undesirable outcome?

 

[HallyButt]

If only this were the UK biggest problem…

 

[long_range_rob]

And they say the “consultation“ didn’t have a forgone conclusion

 

[paul o']

Even if they ban it ! unless there is a buyback it will still be used until its gone ?

 

[Apthorpe]

If only this were the UK biggest problem…

The UK only has one major problem and this is just another manifestation of it.

 

[Ade8mm]

We now live in an idiocracy. This is a typically moronic piece of policy from the most cretinous ruling establishment in history.
Ban lead to avoid a poisoning problem that nobody can detect, in order to protect an environment that you're ruining with overpopulation.

To be honest. I think that's nonsense. If we were all vegan, we'd use less NPK not more,..... and you seem to presume that vegans starving would be an undesirable outcome?

Think what you like, it's not nonsense and a great factoid with which to inform the "kill all the cows" vegan types.

What you suggest I presume is of course incorrect - but you knew that

 

[Overlay]

Cue SD member rush to sell off all lead projectiles cluttering their reloading den in the Classifieds.

K

Hahaha KB
I must be bucking the trend, I've gone back to lead projectiles in three calibres for deer stalking and have a few copper rounds in the classified adds only ones I keep now are ..22 rimfire copper for rabbits and 222 copper for canada geese and Muntjac only because their uses are on SSSI ground and wetlands

 

[Klenchblaize]

why their will be the need for a transition period, absolutely no way the industry would be ready by autumn for a total ban then of lead in ammunition. Just look at the mess it is in currently due to Ukraine war.
Why we feel the need to add the nails to the coffin by publishing such articles apparently showing are engagement in the process is lost on me.

Agreed on your closing comment but do you really believe a Government of any hue would give a damn about “transition” arrangements or indeed compensation for those with fowling pieces that are rendered obsolete/unusable?

K

 

[Rasputin]

£100 extra for bismuth would love to know where they are buying the slabs at. More tosh from a bunch of lefty wetters. God I hate this hole of a country it’s like death by a thousand cuts.