I presume you are referring to 'enemies within'/"5th columnists".
Unlawful changes to England gamebird release licence challenged by BASC
- Thread starter Conor O'Gorman
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DEFRA taking advice from NE and we all know who runs NE , it will be game over for the big shoots eventually.
countrryboy
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Aye I thought they had been talking about it for a wee while
But it's the fact we always seem to be on the back foot with announcements like this and always completely surprised.when it happens.
Defra needs a big overhaul announcements like this or even the annual GL changes should be made many months in advance before they come into force
Not just a couple of weeks or days.
Norfolk Deer Search
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500 miles wouldn’t stop AI spread in
Money for this then, to protect the "big bag boys" and BASC's investment in the British Game Alliance.....yet when blanket imposition, by certain Chief Constables (notably Lincolnshire), of medical reports happened the money wasn't there to challenge that!
Lead shot and BASC call for the voluntary ban, no Judicial Review of medical reports but money again for the interests of the BGA and the "big bag boys" while all others go under the bus?
Pray tell why isn't the BGA or the Game Conservancy funding this action against DEFRA? For aren't THEY the "pheasant and gamebird" spokespeople? Heirs to WAGBI? BASC? Someone's having a laugh
Lead shot and BASC call for the voluntary ban, no Judicial Review of medical reports but money again for the interests of the BGA and the "big bag boys" while all others go under the bus?
Pray tell why isn't the BGA or the Game Conservancy funding this action against DEFRA? For aren't THEY the "pheasant and gamebird" spokespeople? Heirs to WAGBI? BASC? Someone's having a laugh
As a wildfowler…welcome to my world.
NE are a duplicitous shower of sh*t
nothing is ever issued in time, no problems are ever highlighted ahead of time, everything is done at the 11th hour or later giving no time for negotiation or remedial action. They perform at the minimal level to satisfy their statutory function when issuing consents for wildfowling on SSSI, every round more restrictions, more red tape.
NE are a duplicitous shower of sh*t
nothing is ever issued in time, no problems are ever highlighted ahead of time, everything is done at the 11th hour or later giving no time for negotiation or remedial action. They perform at the minimal level to satisfy their statutory function when issuing consents for wildfowling on SSSI, every round more restrictions, more red tape.
Conor O'Gorman
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Latest update:
basc.org.uk
BASC to commence legal challenge against Defra - BASC
BASC has announced today a decision to prepare legal proceedings against Defra over its withdrawal of GL43.
basc.org.uk
Conor O'Gorman
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Latest update:
basc.org.uk
Secretary of State warned of consequences of Defra gamebird decision - BASC
BASC is a joint signatory on a letter from Aim to Sustain to the Secretary of State regarding a ban on gamebird releasing in parts of England.
basc.org.uk
Conor O'Gorman
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Defra’s failure to re-issue a general licence for the releasing of gamebirds in or around Special Protection Areas across England is now reaching a critical point and risks an environmental and animal welfare crisis.
basc.org.uk
If your shoot is located on or near a Special Protection Area in England please get in touch with BASC.
basc.org.uk
Defra needs to act quickly on gamebird releasing debacle - BASC
Continued intransigence at Defra on re-issuing GL43 now risks an environmental and animal welfare crisis, says Conor O'Gorman.
basc.org.uk
If your shoot is located on or near a Special Protection Area in England please get in touch with BASC.
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BASC represents shooting sports in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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countrryboy
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Is this rule going to affect many shoots?
Had a quick Google of spa's and most seem to be estuaries with decent wildfowl numbers.
As well as some upland areas, I'm guessing managed grouse moors due to the management have good bird numbers.
Just watch in the future more legal challenges to wot is allowed in spa's, if so they could pretty much wipe out coastal wildfowling and many grouse moors in 1 fell swoop.
Probably the 2 more sustainable forms of shooting.
Bizarrely with grouse, if management is stopped areas might lose the spa status.
I know that was talked about/threatened to remove the spa status at Langholm as it was an spa due to HH numbers, when numbers really dropped due to no grouse management.
Had a quick Google of spa's and most seem to be estuaries with decent wildfowl numbers.
As well as some upland areas, I'm guessing managed grouse moors due to the management have good bird numbers.
Just watch in the future more legal challenges to wot is allowed in spa's, if so they could pretty much wipe out coastal wildfowling and many grouse moors in 1 fell swoop.
Probably the 2 more sustainable forms of shooting.
Bizarrely with grouse, if management is stopped areas might lose the spa status.
I know that was talked about/threatened to remove the spa status at Langholm as it was an spa due to HH numbers, when numbers really dropped due to no grouse management.
A lot more than people think, it depend on what maps you see as it isn't just SPA's and coastal/estuaries.
countrryboy
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Cheers.
I used to run a shoot with a sssi slap bang in the middle of it.
If it was rolled out to 500m of sssi u couldnae release birds anywhere, and that was about 1000 acres
If this policy is expanded to sssi's or they put other restrictions on it at the drop of a hat every year how could u plan for the future of ur shoot?
Just like the annual GL debacle/lottery to see wot has been banned that year.
Conor O'Gorman
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Latest update:
basc.org.uk
Act now to avoid animal welfare crisis in the countryside, BASC warns Defra - BASC
BASC has warned Defra that shooting businesses are facing crisis unless it urgently reinstates a GL43 for releasing in protected areas.
basc.org.uk
Conor O'Gorman
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Gamekeepers are facing ruin after a last-minute change to licences left more than 200 shoots under threat. Some gamekeepers have already lost their jobs and others face redundancy as shoots that have been running for more than a hundred years face closure. Read the article below from The Telegraph with comments from some of the shoots impacted.
uk.news.yahoo.com
Gamekeepers face ruin after last-minute change to licences
Gamekeepers are facing ruin after a last-minute change to licences left more than 200 shoots under threat.
Kevgun
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I'm sure one of the legal beagles will correct me, but the word "release within 500m, surely if a Pheasant pen is say 600 metres away and you put 1000 pheasants in it, but they find there way to a SPA or SSSI after release, then you have complied with the GL43 by releasing them outside of the exclusion zone?
I read the article and those protesting the legislation seemed to be shoots putting down large numbers of birds? Where the actual habitat would not support that number of wholly wild birds.
The account using the words "thousands" at one point. So am I right that this won't affect traditional "wild bird" shoots? The impression conveyed is shoots affected are the big bag boys.
Those releasing massive numbers of birds on land where the the natural habitat could not sustain a "wild bird" shoot of anything even a fraction of that number.
So money can be found, yet again, to fund defence of the interests of the "big bag boys". The same old focus...as with the reason for BASC's lead shot ban call...on protecting such operators.
Yet money could not be found to fight unlawful imposition of mandatory GP reports when that was done by Lincolnshire and other Chief Constables.
The account using the words "thousands" at one point. So am I right that this won't affect traditional "wild bird" shoots? The impression conveyed is shoots affected are the big bag boys.
Those releasing massive numbers of birds on land where the the natural habitat could not sustain a "wild bird" shoot of anything even a fraction of that number.
So money can be found, yet again, to fund defence of the interests of the "big bag boys". The same old focus...as with the reason for BASC's lead shot ban call...on protecting such operators.
Yet money could not be found to fight unlawful imposition of mandatory GP reports when that was done by Lincolnshire and other Chief Constables.
And FWIW it's not much of a shoot, or shoots indeed, in my opinion and a boast of being established one hundred years that then, owing to a one season temporary difficulty decide to make their gamekeeper redundant is it? Do the guns not have enough loyalty towards an employee who has given them good sport on previous years to return that and see him right for this season?
Have not many shoots already had the guns' subscriptions in and therefore is this not a case of "Well we've paid so we'll keep the keeper on and go this season with what we can go with?" Or actually is it a case of "toys out the pram" and give the keeper his P45 as the real truth is it is not the sport that is important, the camaraderie, the "craic" but merely the head of game shot?
For me a proper sporting syndicate is about the "craic" not the fact about big bags on land that can't sustain that number of wild birds plus a hundred or so extra for the season to add fresh stock. Not the "thousands" that the article mentions. For if, as one shoot says the ground vermin is being controlled, would that not at least ensure some natural population of wild birds to come through for the coming season?
Reading it again this is all, isn't it, not about wild birds plus a hundred or so extra put down but all about big bags...yet again...quantity, quantity, quantity. Not quality, not supporting the keeper through these new proposals but about the numbers. That's not sport. It's just little more than something more resembling a "feather bearing clay pigeon". A numbers shoot masquerading as a game shoot.
Have not many shoots already had the guns' subscriptions in and therefore is this not a case of "Well we've paid so we'll keep the keeper on and go this season with what we can go with?" Or actually is it a case of "toys out the pram" and give the keeper his P45 as the real truth is it is not the sport that is important, the camaraderie, the "craic" but merely the head of game shot?
For me a proper sporting syndicate is about the "craic" not the fact about big bags on land that can't sustain that number of wild birds plus a hundred or so extra for the season to add fresh stock. Not the "thousands" that the article mentions. For if, as one shoot says the ground vermin is being controlled, would that not at least ensure some natural population of wild birds to come through for the coming season?
Reading it again this is all, isn't it, not about wild birds plus a hundred or so extra put down but all about big bags...yet again...quantity, quantity, quantity. Not quality, not supporting the keeper through these new proposals but about the numbers. That's not sport. It's just little more than something more resembling a "feather bearing clay pigeon". A numbers shoot masquerading as a game shoot.
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terrier1
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All these challenges to shooting and countryside way of life. This is all coming because government and the antis all know that the organisations that represents us have no b##ls for any legal fight or any other fight for that matter.
I would have thought they would be reminding the government that there is an election coming soon and a lot of traditional supporters won't be voting in their favour.
I would have thought they would be reminding the government that there is an election coming soon and a lot of traditional supporters won't be voting in their favour.
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