The weather

[Precision123]

I'm British. It's an everyday topic. .

Thing is, hot weather is normally blamed on solar flares, or 'a wind from the south' - the Mistral.
But we seem to be being left to link what's happening with global warming. And I'm wondering if this is correct.
I don't think anybody can dispute global warming, unless you're American and threatening the weatherman, but the news isn't saying 'this is because of that'.

‘Your heart races a bit’: US weather man threatened with death for mentioning climate crisis

Chris Gloninger wove the reality of global heating into his forecasts in the conservative heartland of Iowa. Not everyone was receptive

www.theguardian.com

To me, it is obvious that planting trees is the right direction to be going in, but there's no push on this either.
Anyhoo, I've taken the pin out, please feel free to pass it amongst yourselves...

 

[Tim.243]

I'm British. It's an everyday topic. .

Thing is, hot weather is normally blamed on solar flares, or 'a wind from the south' - the Mistral.
But we seem to be being left to link what's happening with global warming. And I'm wondering if this is correct.
I don't think anybody can dispute global warming, unless you're American and threatening the weatherman, but the news isn't saying 'this is because of that'.

‘Your heart races a bit’: US weather man threatened with death for mentioning climate crisis

Chris Gloninger wove the reality of global heating into his forecasts in the conservative heartland of Iowa. Not everyone was receptive

www.theguardian.com

To me, it is obvious that planting trees is the right direction to be going in, but there's no push on this either.
Anyhoo, I've taken the pin out, please feel free to pass it amongst yourselves...

What do you think the people living in the last ice age would say, who did they blame that on.

 

[TringSaint]

What do you think the people living in the last ice age would say, who did they blame that on.

Thing is, Tim, we know that the world has had warming and cooling cycles for a very long time. But the changes we are seeing now blow all of that out of proportion.

The trends are all going in one direction with respect to temperature, ice loss, etc, and our actions have dumped millions of years worth of carbon into the atmosphere and this is now creating weather conditions that are unpredictable and becoming more extreme.

It will get its balance back, but it will take a very long time, unless we curb our actions to some degree and plans more trees which can mop up the excess co2 and lock it away again.

Alternatively, it’s all just a great big hoax to screw the global economy and make someone richer.

 

[Turnips]

Thing is, Tim, we know that the world has had warming and cooling cycles for a very long time. But the changes we are seeing now blow all of that out of proportion.

The trends are all going in one direction with respect to temperature, ice loss, etc, and our actions have dumped millions of years worth of carbon into the atmosphere and this is now creating weather conditions that are unpredictable and becoming more extreme.

It will get its balance back, but it will take a very long time, unless we curb our actions to some degree and plans more trees which can mop up the excess co2 and lock it away again.

Alternatively, it’s all just a great big hoax to screw the global economy and make someone richer.

Just to add that the cooling/warming we are experiencing at the moment (post industrialisation) is a lot faster than any climate event in the planets history.

So yes; it's happened before, and yes; it's arguably worse this time.

 

[Basil H]

Planting trees means waiting a long time until they are big enough to absorb significant CO2. NOT cutting them down is much more important.

 

[Dunwaters]

The weather is being deliberately catastrophised, look at the number of weather warnings being issued for perfectly ordinary seasonal weather events well within norms.
In Orwell’s 1984 there is a continual state of war which is used to control the population, this is the same, a continuous state of emergency which can never be won, only lost, requiring more and more extreme sacrifices from the population to prevent disaster.
Let’s accept the science, the climate is changing and we may be responsible for at least some of it, but theres not a scintilla of evidence to show that we can reverse the trend once its established. By all means we should do what we can to reduce our impact on the environment, but I don’t see thrashing our economy and impoverishing people as a reasonable response.
Re-wilded land and continuous forest cover takes good agricultural land out of production for decades at a time of increasing food prices.
Thats not clever, neither is pauperising your population by levying increased carbon taxation for essentials, like it or not, at this latitude you need to heat your home for 8 months of the year and anyone not living in an urban setting needs their own transport.
I suspect that the real reason China and Russia are in no rush to join the club is because they already have undemocratic, despotic governments.

 

[caorach]

Just to add that the cooling/warming we are experiencing at the moment (post industrialisation) is a lot faster than any climate event in the planets history.

So yes; it's happened before, and yes; it's arguably worse this time.

Of course it isn't faster. Stop spreading the propaganda of some crazy end of the world cult. Go look at the science.

 

[Tim.243]

Just to add that the cooling/warming we are experiencing at the moment (post industrialisation) is a lot faster than any climate event in the planets history.

So yes; it's happened before, and yes; it's arguably worse this time.

And population growth has gone through the roof...are you blaming that on the climate or just making babies...
The growth will have had a direct effect on the materials we have consumed also will continue to consume.
Question for you, the world is at the moment has the most people ever (think that is fair to say)
According to figures we are in a climate change, so would you say both go hand in hand?
@TringSaint who will no doubt will be quoiting some unknown doc printed by a person living under a tree surviving on grubs and the odd worm lol
Regarding children I have one son and 2 grandchildren

 

[Turnips]

Of course it isn't faster. Stop spreading the propaganda of some crazy end of the world cult. Go look at the science.

Of course it is. Stop spreading the propaganda of some crazy rich fossil fuel tycoon. Go look at the science.

Disclaimer: this is a joke, before you pop your top.

From the 'science' I've read, humankind has impacted the rate and scale of the changing climate, yes. I don't claim to be a renowned scientist, and if I was - I probably wouldn't be hanging around on SD in the middle of the day on a Tuesday.

 

[Turnips]

And population growth has gone through the roof...are you blaming that on the climate or just making babies...
The growth will have had a direct effect on the materials we have consumed also will continue to consume.
Question for you, the world is at the moment has the most people ever (think that is fair to say)
According to figures we are in a climate change, so would you say both go hand in hand?
@TringSaint who will no doubt will be quoiting some unknown doc printed by a person living under a tree surviving on grubs and the odd worm lol
Regarding children I have one son and 2 grandchildren

I'm not blaming anything on the climate if you re-read what I wrote!

I wouldn't say over population is necessarily a problem, but in my opinion over consumption is.
We have already proved that we cannot grow enough food in this country to feed everyone who lives here.

Other resources on the planet are finite too, I know trees grow back eventually but if we keep levelling the Amazon to grow more Soya Beans it's going to cause us a problem eventually!

 

[TringSaint]

And population growth has gone through the roof...are you blaming that on the climate or just making babies...
The growth will have had a direct effect on the materials we have consumed also will continue to consume.
Question for you, the world is at the moment has the most people ever (think that is fair to say)
According to figures we are in a climate change, so would you say both go hand in hand?
@TringSaint who will no doubt will be quoiting some unknown doc printed by a person living under a tree surviving on grubs and the odd worm lol
Regarding children I have one son and 2 grandchildren

I have said in other posts that adding c4bn people to this planet in 70 years is a disaster waiting to happen. Those 4bn extra and all of their carbon usage is one of the greatest causes of climate change, but other than mass genocide, we are somewhat limited as to how we deal with that.

 

[TringSaint]

Of course it isn't faster. Stop spreading the propaganda of some crazy end of the world cult. Go look at the science.

Urrrrr, yes it is, apart from when the planet was covered in volcanoes, but that was a few hundred million years ago.

 

[TringSaint]

The weather is being deliberately catastrophised, look at the number of weather warnings being issued for perfectly ordinary seasonal weather events well within norms.
In Orwell’s 1984 there is a continual state of war which is used to control the population, this is the same, a continuous state of emergency which can never be won, only lost, requiring more and more extreme sacrifices from the population to prevent disaster.
Let’s accept the science, the climate is changing and we may be responsible for at least some of it, but theres not a scintilla of evidence to show that we can reverse the trend once its established. By all means we should do what we can to reduce our impact on the environment, but I don’t see thrashing our economy and impoverishing people as a reasonable response.
Re-wilded land and continuous forest cover takes good agricultural land out of production for decades at a time of increasing food prices.
Thats not clever, neither is pauperising your population by levying increased carbon taxation for essentials, like it or not, at this latitude you need to heat your home for 8 months of the year and anyone not living in an urban setting needs their own transport.
I suspect that the real reason China and Russia are in no rush to join the club is because they already have undemocratic, despotic governments.

So you think that the global climate is normal today?
The same as it was 20/40/60 years ago?

 

[Tim.243]

I'm not blaming anything on the climate if you re-read what I wrote!

I wouldn't say over population is necessarily a problem, but in my opinion over consumption is.
We have already proved that we cannot grow enough food in this country to feed everyone who lives here.

Other resources on the planet are finite too, I know trees grow back eventually but if we keep levelling the Amazon to grow more Soya Beans it's going to cause us a problem eventually!

I did and your response was to my ice age quote with the difference in temperature also how few people where around then compared to present day.

 

[old 30-06]

The woods where I shoot are old and have not been touched for 50 years or possibly more. Although there is plenty of height, great for birds over the top, it is bare underneath, hence cold in the depths of winter. We seem to be O.K. until after Christmas when the weather turns much colder, then the birds migrate down the valley, on to neighboring land. To try to alleviate this ( and to help with the climate crisis )I have come up with a plan to plant trees, This year I have planted over 400 of them, all native species, Cherry, Hazel, Gelder Rose and Spindle-berry. Its just what I could get hold of for not too much money. It has taken a lot of time and sweat, but I feel really good about it.

 

[Tim.243]

I have said in other posts that adding c4bn people to this planet in 70 years is a disaster waiting to happen. Those 4bn extra and all of their carbon usage is one of the greatest causes of climate change, but other than mass genocide, we are somewhat limited as to how we deal with that.

Well all of this is your pet subject so go work it out. I am off staking this afternoon after making a hanger order

 

[TringSaint]

Well all of this is your pet subject so go work it out. I am off staking this afternoon after making a hanger order

Whilst we are surrounded by luddites it’s virtually impossible to make change.
Maybe when things get really bad you might start to realise how wrong you have been.

Enjoy your stalk!

 

[Tim.243]

Whilst we are surrounded by luddites it’s virtually impossible to make change.
Maybe when things get really bad you might start to realise how wrong you have been.

Enjoy your stalk!

You never mentioned the hanger

 

[Dunwaters]

So you think that the global climate is normal today?
The same as it was 20/40/60 years ago?

That’s 2 questions.
Yes, the climate is normal , it may be a new normal but it’s well within parameters.
No, I don’t think the weather is the same as it was, but it never has been.
Both climate and associated weather and weather phenomena are in a constant state of flux.
Always has been and always will be.

 

[caorach]

Whilst we are surrounded by luddites it’s virtually impossible to make change.
Maybe when things get really bad you might start to realise how wrong you have been.

Enjoy your stalk!

Aye, you keep chanting the great chant of truth provided to you by the prophets of doom and we'll all just sit around waiting for the great day of doom. I'm sure you are aware but the first great day of doom was to be in 1982 as predicted by the UN in 1972, there've been a lot predicted since but for some strange reason none of it has ever happened. Do you ever feel a bit let down believing in something that never delivers on it's one big prediction? I mean, they've only to get one thing right - the end of the world - but it fails to turn up every single time. Does it ever annoy you that "global warming" had to be rebranded to "climate change" because the globe didn't warm, or do you just pretend you didn't notice the rebranding or, even better from a virtue signalling perspective, do you walk around claiming that there is unprecedented warming because you heard it on the BBC? Do you feel manipulated knowing that when Boris Johnson said COP26 was the last chance to save the earth that they'd already booked hotels, private jets, hookers etc. for COP27 and COP28, or did you just chose to go on believing?