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TringSaint said:
No, it is not a religion.

If I burn 1kg of coal or oil then I will push the carbon in that material into the atmosphere either as CO or CO2. That co2 then gets absorbed by trees and plants and becomes locked away.
But if I burn 100 million kg of coal and the plants can only absorb and lock away half of that, then the other half just floats around the planet. Do that year on year for decades, and at the same time cut down loads of trees (and I mean billions of them) then the delta between emissions and absorption grows, resulting in co2 levels rising.

Given that co2, along with ch4, are the two most potent greenhouse gasses, it’s not rocket science to work out that an increasing co2 concentration in the atmosphere will have an affect.

So which part of that do you not agree with, cos it’s all very simple science.

The only question that really remains is how much of an affect does the co2 have and what are the effects of increased co2 in the atmosphere on our weather. That is the bit the scientists (not religious whack heads) are trying to work out (and they are doing it live, as it happens, every day).

So to call it a religion or a cult is disingenuous and merely suggests that it’s an inconvenience to you to have to moderate your lifestyle and for that reason alone you believe it’s rubbish.

Do what you will - I don’t give a toss about you personally, but I do care about my environment and what sort of legacy we will leave for future generation.
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The percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is .04%, that’s actually not a lot, but an increase will have an effect, however the idea that that planting trees will have any measurable effect on the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere doesn’t bear scrutiny because the lifespan of the carbon capture by trees is far too short to have any meaningful effect. Theres also the inconvenience that most of the carbon sucked up by plants is recycled within a couple of seasons, especially at these latitudes.
You plant a tree, it grows, it grows old, dies, decays and releases the carbon back into the air within 100-300years, that’s hardly a blink in geological terms and will have almost zero effect.
This is where you and I part company, I believe that the smoke is literally well and truly out of the bottle and it’s not possible to put it back and certainly not going to be achieved by going all electric by 2030.
We should be planning for climate change because you cannot stop it, it’s a natural cycle, perhaps an accelerated natural cycle because of your beloved atmospheric CO2 increase, but still a natural cycle, so adapt improvise and overcome something you won’t achieve by crippling your economy and your food production.
Your insistence that individual human action can control or prevent long term cyclical climate changes is simply not science based, its not a fact, its a belief.
One that I don’t personally happen to subscribe to.
 
Grass and farm crops, heather moorland and peat bogs all sequester carbon. Only thicko Guardian readers believe that ripping all that out to plant trees is of any benefit, pulling up tarmac and concrete to put trees in their place is on the other hand wholly beneficial. As for so called climate change these kind of fluctuations represent normality but I would care to speculate what is hitting the headlines is meteorologists measuring hotter microclimates around areas of constructions, e.g. heat radiating from tarmacked and concrete runways on airfields such as Coningsby will give far higher hot readings than natural dense Oak woods.
In the meantime "Don't Panic"Climate Change Illustrated.webp
 
You know when you go on holiday and the weather ends up bad for your week in Wales....can you change it? No you freaking can't so wake up and smell the coffee!!
 
Smellydog said:
I've been on this planet for 56 years and the weather isn't really any different now as when I were a lad!
Most of them 56 years have been ok, except for when experts and governments have got in my way!
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Climate catastrophists would be in hysterics if they lived through the summer of 1976.
I was nine then and I thought it was brilliant. An endless summer of throwing water over each other and splashing about in rivers.

Back then temperatures were mostly given in Fahrenheit and we were encouraged at school to set up thermometers. Day after day they reached 100 degrees.
 
TringSaint said:
Go and read a physics book, specifically one that talks about the laws of thermodynamics.
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But how would that stop you talking balderdash? That's not clear to me.

Temperatures are currently rather cool, Atmospheric CO2 concentrations are currently extremely low, perhaps still dangerously so. Historically there is no evidence that it was warmer when CO2 levels were higher, though there is evidence that past warming may cause atmospheric CO2 to increase with a lag of maybe 3,000 years and last I heard no one knows why. This is simple, physical, reality and the books that I read will not change it and we should remain focused on this point. No matter what chanting we hear from the doom cult physical reality remains obstinately sitting there staring us in the face.
 
Finch said:
Climate catastrophists would be in hysterics if they lived through the summer of 1976.
I was nine then and I thought it was brilliant. An endless summer of throwing water over each other and splashing about in rivers.

Back then temperatures were mostly given in Fahrenheit and we were encouraged at school to set up thermometers. Day after day they reached 100 degrees.
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@TringSaint

 
caorach said:
But how would that stop you talking balderdash? That's not clear to me.

Temperatures are currently rather cool, Atmospheric CO2 concentrations are currently extremely low, perhaps still dangerously so. Historically there is no evidence that it was warmer when CO2 levels were higher, though there is evidence that past warming may cause atmospheric CO2 to increase with a lag of maybe 3,000 years and last I heard no one knows why. This is simple, physical, reality and the books that I read will not change it and we should remain focused on this point. No matter what chanting we hear from the doom cult physical reality remains obstinately sitting there staring us in the face.
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Fine.
There is no issue.
Now, return to the beach and place you head back in the sand.
 
Finch said:
Climate catastrophists would be in hysterics if they lived through the summer of 1976.
I was nine then and I thought it was brilliant. An endless summer of throwing water over each other and splashing about in rivers.

Back then temperatures were mostly given in Fahrenheit and we were encouraged at school to set up thermometers. Day after day they reached 100 degrees.
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Check your facts. 1976 was not as hot as last summer nor as dry. It never got close to 100. Last summer we topped out at 40.2C. An all time high for the UK, but don’t let any real statistics get in the way of your argument!!

Time plays tricks on the mind!!
 
TringSaint said:
Check your facts. 1976 was not as hot as last summer nor as dry. It never got close to 100. Last summer we topped out at 40.2C. An all time high for the UK, but don’t let any real statistics get in the way of your argument!!

Time plays tricks on the mind!!
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I don't need to check my facts. I was there and I remember very vividly the temperatures we recorded at school. You didn't even ask how or where we sited the thermometer so perhaps you should check your facts.
Time has not played tricks on my mind. I'm not senile. And I wasn't making any argument. I don't care what the temperature was then, last year this year or ever. What will be will be. And I won't be crying about it, nor will I be changing my behaviour of way of life.
 
And it’s a fact we never had as many areas recording the temperature or as accurately, I need to check but the dry spell of 76 ( ahh that first proper kiss ) lasted longer.
Here in NZ we are planting firs at a rate of knots, why to save the planet ? No so we can make money out company’s wanting to offset there pollution, the great status quo.
 
Finch said:
I don't need to check my facts. I was there and I remember very vividly the temperatures we recorded at school. You didn't even ask how or where we sited the thermometer so perhaps you should check your facts.
Time has not played tricks on my mind. I'm not senile. And I wasn't making any argument. I don't care what the temperature was then, last year this year or ever. What will be will be. And I won't be crying about it, nor will I be changing my behaviour of way of life.
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Ahem! 1976 British Isles heat wave - Wikipedia

Don’t tell me - the stats are wrong and your 9 year old memory is bang on??
 
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Taff said:
And it’s a fact we never had as many areas recording the temperature or as accurately, I need to check but the dry spell of 76 ( ahh that first proper kiss ) lasted longer.
Here in NZ we are planting firs at a rate of knots, why to save the planet ? No so we can make money out company’s wanting to offset their pollution, the great status quo.
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76 was bad, not that I remember it as I was only 2. But it wasn’t the hottest by any margin according to the record books and 2022 was in parts of the UK drier than in 1976.
 
Since the 90s we have introduced billions of new electronic devices ( I am on one now ) if all the green protesters throw away there devices, and go back to the 80s, we would solve the global emissions problem in one go, just a thought, imagine how much sea levels would drop if we removed all the watercraft.
Of course non of these things are going to happen, but imagine if there was no internet or mobile phones, people would just get on with there lives,and probably be happier.
Its like the American who goes to the Bahamas and seeing a fisherman sitting on the beach drinking beer, he say if you fished all day you would catch more fish , then you could buy a bigger boat and catch more fish, before long you could have two boats, work hard for 15 yrs and you will have enough boats that you will be able to sit on the beach and drink beer
 
Finch said:
I made no comment about the stats. I just said it as hot and today's crybabies wouldn't have handled it. But I'm not going to engage any more. Your joyless pedantry and know-all arrogance is getting very boring.
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So you claim something which happens to be wrong and you skulk off in a huff rather than admit that you might have made an incorrect statement!

Given that last summer eclipsed the hottest day of 1976 by 5C, how does your claim stack up?

I am truly intrigued.

As for know-all-arrogance, all I did was copy a page on Wikipedia. Doesn’t take too much skill to do that!!
 
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