Rubber from inside petrol hoses at garage since E10

[Jamouk]

Had a VW crafter in a garage for a few months now with injector problems , keep being billed for all the solutions they come up with and the bill is over 4k already they are now telling me that they don't want the job any more, and that the problem is cause by since E10 ( it's a diesel van) that the rubber inside the petrol pump hoses at forecourts is breaking down and causing tiny pieces of rubber to get into people fuel systems and is causing injector problems , this is after they changed 4 injectors 1 at a time then eventually told me the fuel pump needed replacing which had In turn then buggered all the injectors that they had already replaced which now needed replacing again , not to mention the cost of the hire van at 80 a day anyone heard of this or does it sound like a load of bxxlox

 

[Rory]

Sounds fishy to me. Is it a VW garage?

 

[gixer1]

Sounds plausible to me - ethanol will bugger up rubber and make it go hard/break up.

I moved back from the US and had to change all my gardening petrol tool fuel hoses as they were all brittle and failing.

Absolute bull crap that the ethanol thing is being pushed - more eco-nonsense!

Regards,
Gixer

 

[andyk]

Hmm, I don’t know but that doesn’t sound right.

E10 is petrol with 10% bioethanol and, by most accounts, the only thing it’s better for is green credentials.

The diesel equivalent is B7, which contain 7% “bio” components - but that’s not ethanol. I’d imagine it’s vegetable oil of sorts, which I doubt would degrade anything that diesel won’t.

What’s being said would seem to make more sense if talking petrol engines but I’d be more suspicious with diesel.

 

[Donkey Basher]

Total crap - diesel is stored in tanks of diesel & reaches your car/van via a system which has zero connection with the petrol system. There is no way ethanol from E10 can cross contaminate B7 diesel via the petrol pump!

If that really was the case the number the garages would be full of petrol engines cars with injector problems!

On a separate note, I have always run my V8 D2 on super unleaded since E10 was introduced as it's still E5. My landowner has a V8 110 he drives around no the farm & that has just had to have the complete fuel system replaced thanks to E10, fortunately it's an old 3.5 with carbs so no expensive fuel injection system just good old fashioned fuel lines & carbs but still a pain & unnecessary cost.

 

[Smellydog]

Your being fooled.
They don't use rubber in fuel pumps. Normal fuel would rot rubber.
The first mistake was buying a VW product. I wouldn't have one given to me!
Unfortunately modern diesels are ticking time bombs.
Want a diesel, buy less than a six year old and sell soon after six year old. Thrash it's tits off regularly.

 

[shakey jake]

no decent garage replaces one injector all or none. i think they are clowns that rely on fault codes. bio diesel does soften some plastics but i cant see fuel being the issue or all vw vans would be failing

 

[Jamouk]

Sounds fishy to me. Is it a VW garage?

No an independent, first it was the high pressure pump that had gone apparently and put tiny microscopic pieces of metal into the fuel system that needed to be flushed out ( another 2k) and that had buggered the injectors again , then anther 2.5 k to flush it all out and first they told me they were going to have the injectors reconditioned ( the new ones less than 4 weeks old ) but then told me that there was only a 15 quid each difference so may as well buy all new again

 

[Will the chippy]

Surely if little bits of rubber or metal were getting into the fuel system then the fuel filter is at fault. What’s the harm in fitting another in line filter as close to the engine as possible to catch any remaining stuff.
There is a known problem with bio diesel causing bugs to grow and mess up stored fuel.
I had an 06 Rav 4 that needed a new injector but at 400 each for a car worth 3k I had only 1 replaced.
It sounds like they’re clutching at straws and they haven’t a clue what’s wrong, I don’t think it’s fair they charge you the full amount for not fixing it. Id be too embarrassed to do that.

 

[Jamouk]

Surely if little bits of rubber or metal were getting into the fuel system then the fuel filter is at fault. What’s the harm in fitting another in line filter as close to the engine as possible to catch any remaining stuff.
There is a known problem with bio diesel causing bugs to grow and mess up stored fuel.
I had an 06 Rav 4 that needed a new injector but at 400 each for a car worth 3k I had only 1 replaced.
It sounds like they’re clutching at straws and they haven’t a clue what’s wrong, I don’t think it’s fair they charge you the full amount for not fixing it. Id be too embarrassed to do that.

Apparently they are very very small

 

[Will the chippy]

Apparently they are very very small

Mmmmmm....... I smell bullsh..

 

[ColinBr]

They sound like idiots to me mate.

I certainly don't think they should be charging you full wack if they cant even fix the car. Then decide that they don't want to try anymore after charging you a hell of an amount of £

 

[Jamouk]

Trading standards ?
Their website claims they are VW / Audi specialists in Rochester

 

[Kalahari]

It's a diesel, how does E10 petrol affect that?

David.

 

[Jamouk]

It's a diesel, how does E10 petrol affect that?

David.

I asked that Friday and he just sort of fluffed over the question and said its a similar thing with New diesel

 

[Heym SR20]

If its running roughly I would have a close look at the Diesel Particulate Filter.

But also some garages have really shitty diesel storage tanks.

 

[Jamouk]

The high pressure pump had broken down and that what caused the initial injector problems , they changed the injectors 1 at a time then found the pump issue ( over a period of a month of taking it back then more problems the day after ) first they said there were tiny pieces of metal in the fuel lines rank etc and had to flush it all through with 4 gallons of diesel now the rubber issue has been mentioned and they want me to collect it and have washed their hands of it

 

[Smellydog]

New diesel fuel needs constant circulation in storage and passing through fuel cleaners. Often UV light filters.
It grows bugs now!
The fuel filter should of stopped particles capable of damaging injectors. I'm not totally sure there are metal parts to a pump that can break down as they imply.
I smell bull****.
The likely problem is that they did not understand the printout from the diagnostics.

You've been had some, the motor trade today is disgusting.
Sorry.

 

[Smellydog]

The high pressure pump had broken down and that what caused the initial injector problems

Nope, the engine would of stopped. The moment a hp diesel pump fails the engine stops, I dare say also that as soon as the ECU sees a rise in excessive amperage draw from the pump it shuts it down and the engine stops. That or a light comes on.

 

[Smellydog]

Where do you get your diesel from? It maybe contaminated fuel or old/ poor kept fuel that had gummed up the filter. Then Muppets turned up on the scene.
How old is the fuel filter. The most common issue with diesel's is old forgotten fuel filters.