Mayak’s Lord of the Horizon.
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Looks to me like as fierce as the recoil is going to be, it's something you would far, far rather be behind than in front of.
Rewulf
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Basically a Ukrainian produced .50 cal with a slightly longer barrel than your average Barrett.
Loopy trajectory, but fearsome hitting power.
This chart calculates the drop from a 50 out to 2000 yards, imagine the drop, and calculations necessary to hit a target at twice that range.
Loopy trajectory, but fearsome hitting power.
This chart calculates the drop from a 50 out to 2000 yards, imagine the drop, and calculations necessary to hit a target at twice that range.
Heym SR20
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Drops are calculable, both mathematically and then on the range, and provided you have sighting systems that cope then elevation is sorted. These days of laser range finders distance is easy enough to establish to within workable parameters.
Big variable is wind.
Most targets shot at at distance are mansize or bigger - vehicles, equipment etc. And you don’t need to hit to be effective. Just the effect of a bullet very close will keep heads down. And a wounding shot probably takes out more enemy than a kill shot.
First models of lee enfields and other smokeless powder rifles all had tangent sights for long range volley fire. These were graduated to a few thousand yards. Being open sights actually picking an individual target might have been difficult, but against a squad of infantry of cavalry was pretty effective - as both sides in the likes of Boer war found to their cost.
I sort of made this point on the other thread, but people weren’t having it!
I still struggle to see why a mortar isn’t a better general solution at these ranges. Or a drone dropped grenade.
...if you're not chronically short of artillery and have air superiority.
kenbro
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Not so easy to get a first round kill of a specific target with a Mortar.
Ken.
Though I imagine the number of sighter shots required may well be similar at those ranges!
kenbro
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In this instance you would think these 3 would have have been under cover if sighted shots had been fired at them?
Ken.
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Not really, the LotH is much more powerful. The Barrett doesn't come close.
kenbro
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Rewulf
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Do you have any data on it ?
Heym SR20
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Snipers will always have their place on the battlefield
1) they are superb at reconnoissance and observation, providing intelligence for the main battle force.
2) they are cheap - cost of training, equipping and deploying a modern sniper is still a lot cheaper than most other weapons
3) snipers can be highly effective on high value targets. Effect on moral can be huge. And with the heavier rounds - 338 Lapua, .50 cals etc they can be highly against parked aircraft, communications, fuel bladders etc. A bullet through the air intake of a jet or helicopter will put it out of action.
4) well trained snipers are difficult to detect, but to be effective do have to get in pretty close - well within a km. And therein lies the challenge. They might get in, but will they get back out?
1) they are superb at reconnoissance and observation, providing intelligence for the main battle force.
2) they are cheap - cost of training, equipping and deploying a modern sniper is still a lot cheaper than most other weapons
3) snipers can be highly effective on high value targets. Effect on moral can be huge. And with the heavier rounds - 338 Lapua, .50 cals etc they can be highly against parked aircraft, communications, fuel bladders etc. A bullet through the air intake of a jet or helicopter will put it out of action.
4) well trained snipers are difficult to detect, but to be effective do have to get in pretty close - well within a km. And therein lies the challenge. They might get in, but will they get back out?
shakey jake
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i read the cartridge spec, the case could swallow a bmg. designed to fire a nearly 15mm bullet. it looks crazy big
750gr A-Max@3280fps and 988gr@same are what Mayak were saying. Don't know if there is a mistake there with them being the same velocity.
Powder is their limiting factor so they're currently trying to get a slower powder which they claim will get them over 3800fps, with which bullet I don't know. Which would be about 24,000ft-lbs with a 750gr. However 750@3280 is essentially 18,000ft-lbs so comfortably more than 50BMG already.
See attached for a size comparison of 50BMG and the parent to the 12.7x114.
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Rewulf
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Thanks , didnt realise it was based on the 14.5, just thought it was a juiced up Russian 12.7, which does have similar ballistics to the 50 BMG.
Still has loopy trajectories though, which makes long range calculation and adjustment difficult, most scopes just dont have the adjustment range to compensate, which is why most extreme long range target shooters tackle targets from high elevation.
long_range_rob
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