Rake Aboot
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Yeh would be be any use to me though, no shotgun certificate
Humane dispatch pistol
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Triggermortis
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“To add to this thread , modifying a revolver like this should be illegal as in my mind it’s dangerous and weakens the gun.”
To add to your comment Rake Aboot it’s not imho the only concern when modifying a revolver, to add to risk of an unexpected dis-charge there is also the question of needing a centre fire pistol at all, a .410 shot pistol gives you the much wider option of a shot cartridge from 2” to 3” and a slug that gives way more muzzle energy than a .38 special or a .357 Mag.
To add to your comment Rake Aboot it’s not imho the only concern when modifying a revolver, to add to risk of an unexpected dis-charge there is also the question of needing a centre fire pistol at all, a .410 shot pistol gives you the much wider option of a shot cartridge from 2” to 3” and a slug that gives way more muzzle energy than a .38 special or a .357 Mag.
if your quick their is one restricted to two shots on the Holts auction site, buy it now unsold lots for I think it was £26.00
jthyttin
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Do you have actual ballistics for 410 out of short barrel pistol? Or are you talking about different form factor?
I kind of doubt that 410 slugs will give better "anything" that 357 Mag in same barrel length. 410 slugs usually weigh under 100gr and operate at much lower pressure.
StephenToast
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Triggermortis
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Hitting a 4” target accurately at 15 metres with a pistol is harder than with a rifle or a shotgun!
For specific purposes, such as described by Malc above, there is definitely people who need a pistol and have good reason.
But as above, a lot of people want to justify it just so they can own a pistol!
Rake Aboot
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The other aspect is of course the contempt towards anything a recreational stalker says , when it comes to certain “pros”
White/Black etc.
White/Black etc.
Not in a pistol it doesn’t, the .357 mag will develop more energy than a .410 with an equal barrel length.
Law abiding people are inconvenienced by the midge's whisker in hazard between a 6 shot and 2 shot cylinder, and the hassle of converting the former to the latter.
The criminal dealer just uses the restriction as another source of revenue because it takes him 2 to 3 hours to lathe up a piece of steel to replace the cylinder, stick it on a turntable on a home mill, and drill+ream the chambers along with nice little flutes. He does not care about the restriction because he is not legal anyway.
I don't disagree with pistols or revolvers but there are a number of factors that should be considered
1. I think any alterations to a revolver can be potentially dangerous, even if they are reproofed.
2. I cannot se the drama concerned with having a Revolver or pistol. You have already licensed the person to have a rifle which is far more effective at much longer range so it must be something about concealed carry ( there was one bloke years ago who used to parade a 6 inch barrel revolver before HD became a thing. A person of importance in the BDS)
3. There is no expectation of practice or demonstration of competency( I teach handgun shooting for a living and seen some spectacular misses at close range!)
4. I have no need for one but can accept the requirement. I shot a large fallow buck last week using a Tikka T3 pistol at 3 m using the barrel as the sight. ( single handed?
5. If I felt so inclined I would buy the Brugge and Thommet that I posted earlier.
1. I think any alterations to a revolver can be potentially dangerous, even if they are reproofed.
2. I cannot se the drama concerned with having a Revolver or pistol. You have already licensed the person to have a rifle which is far more effective at much longer range so it must be something about concealed carry ( there was one bloke years ago who used to parade a 6 inch barrel revolver before HD became a thing. A person of importance in the BDS)
3. There is no expectation of practice or demonstration of competency( I teach handgun shooting for a living and seen some spectacular misses at close range!)
4. I have no need for one but can accept the requirement. I shot a large fallow buck last week using a Tikka T3 pistol at 3 m using the barrel as the sight. ( single handed?
5. If I felt so inclined I would buy the Brugge and Thommet that I posted earlier.
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palmer_mike
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wouldn’t it need to have been re-proofed after such work?
Not what I said at all is it? I said a rifle with an optic at 20m or under, or even a shotgun in very close situations.
As for a shotgun at 20m, I doubt if it would even kill a bull, ram or hog with anything but a slug at 20m. I’ve seen foxes hit with SG’s at that distance run on.
Thanks for the polite reply though
Triggermortis
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What energy does a .357 mag of the same weight (1/4oz)produce with a 6” barrel at the muzzle?
More than a .410!
Smellydog
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357 will pretty much match a 410 slug , the slug shot from a long barrel and the 357 shot from a revolver barrel.
Shorter barrels but derringer comparison for .38/.357/.410
The .357 full house load has a lot more muzzle energy. To quote the article “shotshells weren’t in the same realm in terms of energy.”
Source:How About the .410 Derringer? - Gun Tests
Ps. 90% sure we’ve had this little exchange before!
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